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This from? "Floor Mosaic from a Byzantine Church, Horvat Berachot"

According the little I can see in preview of this, "Horvat Berachot (in Arabic: Khirbet Bureikut) is located near the main road Jerusalem-Hebron, ca. nine kilometers southwest of Bethlehem Map ref. 1638.1138"

I find that 1638.1138 (if it is pal.grid) to be just SW of Beit Fajjar, or just east of Shuyukh al-Arrub (if it is pal.grid numbers). It should be on SWP map 21...cannot find anything on the maps, though. Comments, anyone? Is my position way wrong? (as I said; I dont have the article): would Yoram Tsafrir, Yizhar Hirschfeld et al call something "in Israel", when it is on the occupied territories? Huldra (talk) 23:03, 5 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

And this: The Arabic inscriptions at Horvat Berachot Rina and Joseph Drory, Huldra (talk) 23:04, 5 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

And:

Avi byzantine transition: refer to Tsafrir and Hirschfeld 1979. 163:116
Carta OfficialGuide: Hurbat Berakhot (Kfa. Bureikut) 163:116 next to Migdal Oz

BUT:

PalestineIndexGazetter p. 27: 173/126, and
Tsafir p. 92 Kh Bureikut 173/126

....and I find a Kh. Bureikut at 173/126, on 10Jerusalem, but NOT on SWP map 17. It is located between Sur Baher and ash-Sheikh Sa'd,

So, are there two places named the same? Sounds like it, as 173/126 is not "next to Migdal Oz" Huldra (talk) 21:14, 7 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

- @Huldra: In the paper of Tsafrir and Hirschfeld there is a map showing the location of Horvat Berechot relative to Kfar Etzion and the Bethlehem-Hebron road. Beyond doubt it is Kh. Bureikut at 1638/1168. They got one digit wrong. It is shown as H. Berechot at Amudanan too. Zero^talk 06:05, 8 February 2019 (UTC)Reply
  - Ah, that explains it: thanks Zero! It is just north of Beit Fajjar and next to Migdal Oz; called Kh Breikut on SWP map 21; Conder and Kitchener, 1883, SWP III, pp. 311,352 and Palmer, 1881, p. 398.
  - So we do indeed have two places with similar names (according to the maps): both are called Kh Bureikut on the 1940s maps, on the Jerusalem and the Hebron map, respectively, Huldra (talk) 20:24, 8 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

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