Talk:Shitennō (Tokugawa clan)

Renaming

Proposing to rename this article from its current "Shitennō" to "Tokugawa shitennō", since the article is about the Tokugawa Four Heavenly Kings. Fayerman (talk) 01:12, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, this article needs to be re-named; but my guess is that our decision-making could also encompass other articles -- including those not yet created. I wonder if WP:Use English can help us identify a harmonizing pattern which extends beyond Japanese usage?

Your question makes a good beginning.

• Shitennō (Tokugawa clan)? Shitennō (Tokugawa)?
• Tokugawa shitennō?
• Tokugawa Four Heavenly Kings?

Is "shitenno" better than "Four Heavenly Kings" in the title for this article? for any Japanese article?

• Shitennō (samurai)?
• Samurai shitennō
• Samurai Four Heavenly Kings?
• Four Heavenly Kings (poets)? waka poets?

This is a good question in the context of Four Heavenly Kings (disambiguation); but the proposed solution may not be the best option. For example, please consider just two non-Japanese contexts:

Cantopop Four Heavenly Kings? Cantonese pop singers

Shanghai Four Havenly Kings? breakfast?

IMO, this is not easy, but it is an interesting problem. --Tenmei (talk) 04:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

• "Tokugawa shitennō" accompanied by a redirect from "Tokugawa Four Heavenly Kings" to the same would probably do the trick (or vice-versa). But I agree, in light of WP:Use English, "shitennō" can probably make more sense as "Four Heavenly Kings" (already in place) to most English speakers. Fayerman (talk) 21:26, 10 October 2010 (UTC)