Talk:Ship/Archive 2

Walter Lord

My copy of a Night to Remember (Penguin) gives three dates for publication, 1956, 1976 & 1978. The middle one is a "revised and illustrated edition" and the last appears to be a re-publication of this by a different publisher (Penguin). Since I was referring to an illustration, I used the middle date, 1976. (RJP 08:27, 23 February 2006 (UTC))

Motor - electric or otherwise

Hello - I was trying to disambiguate links involving motor and I ended up at this article (which I enjoyed reading); I was unsure what sort of motor was intended in the section about Propulsion, i.e., whether it was intended to mean Electric motor or another sense. I'd appreciate your guidance. Thanks for reading. Politepunk 11:28, 26 March 2006

disturbing disturbing

Surely 'disturbing' is wrongly used, in 'A number of different tonnage definitions exist and are used when disturbing merchant ships for the purpose of tolls, taxation, etc.' I have changed it to 'describing'. Earthlyreason 07:53, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

• Good eye! That particular bit of vandalism was introduced on 20 December 2006 by 61.68.133.235. The word was in fact "describing" in the original version. Another good argument for fresh eyes in editing. Aspenocean 09:31, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Note to the editor of the article.

Hello,

There is a site which I thought would relate to this article. You may consider adding details about SeaFolks.com. Its the world's first online community of its kind, for merchant navy officers around the world. Thank you.

Regards Umesh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.95.4.30 (talk) 20:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Fantastic diagram

Could someone please add a fantastic diagram of the biggest ships ever. Like this wonderful picture here on the biggest airplanes ever: Wikipedia Biggest Aircraft Tri400 15:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm asking the French Graphic Lab, they have done miracles already :-) I'll post it here when it's done. le Korrigan →bla 18:57, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

There you go : Image:Bateaux comparaison2.svg. Enjoy, le Korrigan →bla 19:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

==Jail/Gaol==

Gaol is an early Modern English spelling for jail. The spelling "jail" would have been in use well before 1876. They are the same word in meaning. Please read jail/gaol before changing. "Jail" is not meant to represent a culturally neutral compromise between "jail" and "gaol" as they are the same word, different spelling. Imprisonment is not the same thing as jail. Jail has an implication of an actual facility run by a state, while imprisonment, as a synonym of confine, can be accomplished by anyone regardless of the rule of law. The line is about a person being jailed by law. Aspenocean 14:42, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Since the statement refers to Britain, the term jail is understood throughout Britain and is the traditional spelling in Scotland, as here. Ir you're visiting Inveraray jail, don't forget to look at the nearby Clyde puffer(s), though not sure if they're boats or ships ;) .Of course Plimsoll's act would be English law, but no doubt there was an equivalent in Scots law..... 15:14, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

• • Thanks for the comment. I personally wouldn't have cared if the spelling "gaol" had been left in, but Haus objected to the word not being understandable to Americans and then argued that "jail" was not a culturally neutral compromise with "gaol." He changed the wording to "imprisonment" which is more generic; hence this discussion section. As to the puffers, they are boats (inland and coastal operation as well as being relatively small). In some countries it's not impossible that they could be defined as ships legally as they are mostly in commercial usage, but I couldn't say for sure. I've always liked the puffers and similar working boats. They have an attractive, utilititarian look to me. Aspenocean 16:00, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
    • As long as "jail" is in common use in the U.K., I'm happy with this resolution. There are a number of guidelines including "Follow the dialect of the first contributor," "Articles should use the same spelling system and grammatical conventions throughout," and "Try to find words that are common to all" that should be considered in this sort of situation, but seem to be non-issues at this point. Cheers. Haus^Talk 00:26, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

How do ships float

Should this question not be addressed early (or at least somewhere) on this page?--Light current 14:46, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be noted, though it might not be a very long section.

Ark

Arks are large rudderless ships... there doesn't seem to be any mention of them. Is there an article that can be inserted into Ark? Josh Parris#: 07:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Definition of "flats" is missing!

I was looking through the "Shipboard terminiology" section and read the descriptions of a "bulkhead" and "deck":

Bulkheads - internal "walls" in a ship. Bulkheads are the vertical equivalent of decks. They have a structural function as well as dividing spaces. They serve to prevent collapse of the hull under stress, to maintain stability, in the event of flooding, and to contain fire. Many bulkheads feature watertight doors which, in the case of certain types of ships, the crew may close remotely. An internal "wall" that is not load-bearing is usually referred to as a "partition". It is to a bulkhead as a flat is to a deck.

Decks - the structures forming the approximately horizontal surfaces in the ship's general structure. Unlike flats, they are a structural part of the ship.

There is no actual definition of flat of partition in the article. I tried the "Glossary of nautical terms" article, but they were not in there either. I can *guess* what a partition is but couldn't find any description of what a flat actually is.

Is a flat supposed to be load bearing or is it something like a hatch that can not take any weight? Can someone who understands this sort of thing please add definitions for "flat" and "Please can you also add them them to the "Glossary of nauticle terms" article.

Thanks in advance.

Big Mac 19:39, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

A flat is a deck that does not run the full length of a space, or is between two full length decks, like a mezzanine. The deck that holds the steering gear is called the steering flat. A deck that holds generators might be called a generator flat. Accommodation decks are usually not called flats. A partition is just a wall. There are many grades of partition, depending on whether they are watertight, fire resistant, etc. I am not sure if I agree with the flat/partition comparison. A flat has always to be load-bearing and plays a structural role, a partition may be quite flimsy, and designed just for privacy. Rumiton (talk) 11:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)