Talk:Sheikh Hasina/Archive 1

Bangladesh

There should be a note that the nation known as Bangladesh did not exist in 1947, and was rather East Bengal. Mike H (Talking is hot) 01:37, Jun 27, 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, changed it in the infobox to "East Bengal, currently Bangladesh". --Ragib 01:43, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

? Md shahriare zaman shihab (talk) 14:51, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

? Md shahriare zaman shihab (talk) 14:51, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Book list

I think it would be helpful to provide English translations of the names of all the books she has authored. Mike H (Talking is hot) 18:28, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

I agree. I am going to add my own versions of translations, though I'm not sure if any of these books has an English name as well. I'll have to check. --Ragib 18:53, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Edits

Mike, the edit you referred to looks fine. The linked article has details on the title, so it is not necessary to repeat it here. So, your edit was just fine. Thanks. --Ragib 20:28, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

● Name was misspelled, its Wazed not Wajed

Sheikh Kamal

Sheikh Moni, not Sheikh Kamal was thought to be the successor of Sheikh Mujib.

Minus 2 Formula

Whoever is repeatedly adding the statement about Minus two formula in the intro part, please note: "Recently she has been subject to Minus 2 Formula" - is not an encyclopedic statement, nor does it belong to the introduction of this article even if it is corret.

Minus 2 Formula has been added in the "See also" section. If you think necessary, feel free to add a more refined sentence in the main body; but please do not mess with the reasonabley well written introduction paragraph.

Citations

A whole sections (specifically "Early Life" and "Member of the National Assembly") is missing citations... Do you know? (talk) 05:12, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Sheikh

is this an honorific title or her real first name? NorthernThunder (talk) 18:39, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

It is part of her real (family) name. It is not considered her "first name", i.e. no one will call her "Sheikh" in the same way of calling George Bush as "George". In Bangladesh as well as in rest of South Asia, Sheikh, Kazi etc have become part of family names. Hasina's father was Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, and cousin was Sheikh Fazlul Haque Mani. --Ragib (talk) 18:49, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Some sort of footnote needs to be made. It is very confusing. 75.1.243.30 (talk) 07:45, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, I don't see why it is confusing. It is like requiring a foot note to explain Karen Carpenter is not really a carpenter :) --Ragib (talk) 07:52, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't think the cases are equivalent. "Carpenter" is a common family name in English, and Karen's name is in the expected given name + family name order. Anything that differs from that English-language norm, and which leads to confusion or ambiguity (as the use of the word "sheikh" will do for many English-speakers), deserves clarification in some manner. Her name may not need explanation on the Bangla Wikipedia, but the English Wikipedia is not written for Bangladeshis, or Americans, or Maoris, or Malays. It is written for everyone who has enough English to benefit from it. Those who have less are directed to the Simple English version, where presumably this topic and person will be explained in even briefer and more lucid terms. BrainyBabe (talk) 15:57, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm with BrainyBabe on that point. We could add an explanatory sentence similar to that which appears on names of famous Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, indicating which part is the family name and which is the given name; it is particularly confusing to the outsider given that sheikh continues to function as an honorific/title in some cases, yet is a family name in this case, a bit like the confusion that results if a person living in a monarchy has the given names "Prince Jonathan." A single line of parenthetical explanation for the unfamiliar would be good to have in the lede. Lawikitejana (talk) 22:03, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

what are her policies?

I know nothing about her and would like to learn more. This article is full of her political difficulties and struggles but says surprisingly little about her policies and actions. What has she stood for, over the decades? What bills has she proposed, in these elections or previously? Where does she draw most of her support from? What is her position on the major issues facing her country? These are some of the things that readers come to Wikipedia to learn. Instead we have minutiae of arrests and release dates. BrainyBabe (talk) 22:57, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Can't give you a reference right away, but her policy has been pro-secular, and centrist-liberal. In fact, secularism and Bengali nationalism were one of the main themes of Awami League since the 1960s. Hasina's critics also term her as Pro-India (a view shared by Indian news papers as well).

From my perception, Hasina and her party has been pro-Culture, pro-education, pro-human rights, pro-minorities, anti-Islamism, anti-extremism (as opposed to Khaleda Zia's pro-islamist stance). Of course, her last tenure as PM was riddled with allegations of corruption.

Once again, I can't provide a reference to the above off the top of my head, but generally these are the main traits of her politics. --Ragib (talk) 23:16, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, that's a good start. Perhaps editorials in respected newspapers might help you (or others) to source this into the article? Terms like "centrist-liberal" have such hugely diferent meanings from one country to another. And what does "pro-Culture" mean? Has she always stood for more or less the same thing, or has she had a political conversion at some point in her career? BrainyBabe (talk) 00:07, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I should clarify once again that it is my observation, which can't be quoted and needs references from reliable sources. Now, back to the "pro-culture" thing ... the cultural activists (poets, artists etc.) have traditionally supported Hasina's party Awami League. Khaleda's BNP didn't attract many cultural organizations / artists, and often banned Jatras in rural areas. BNP's allies, the Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh and the Islami Oikya Jote are downright hostile towards cultural activities (due to their Islamist agenda). As for "centrist", BNP is hardline right wing, while parties like JSD are left wing -- Awami league is somewhat in the middle, with moderate, slightly left wing policies. As far as Hasina is concerned, she hasn't strayed much from her stance. --Ragib (talk) 08:11, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I hope the article gets the improvements it deserves. BrainyBabe (talk) 15:58, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I would start with major English-language media likely to have written articles about her, such as the BBC or The Times, at least until I had time to suss out which English-language Bangladeshi media were considered most neutral and reliable. Lawikitejana (talk) 22:08, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Personal Life

There is no mention of her personal life i.e. hwr husband and children.User talk:Yousaf465

Added. --Ragib (talk) 04:51, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Hasina Wazed!?

In many Bangladesh related articles, wherever name of Sheikh Hasina comes, some editors always tend to note her name as Sheikh Hasina Wazed or Hasina Wazed. So far I'm concerned, I have never seen her or any government body or any politician from her party to use any name other than Sheikh Hasina. Sometimes a small group of activists try to call her by the name Hasina Wazed.
I'm afraid, writing her name anything other than Sheikh Hasina is a VANDALIZING activity.
example pages: Bangladesh, Zillur_Rahman.
--নাফী ম. সাধ nafSadh^talk 07:10, 30 March 2011 (UTC) 43.231.22.102 (talk) 15:07, 29 August 2016 (UTC) Bangladeshi women usually don't change their names after marriage. There is no "Wazed" in her name.

Programmes and achievements

Agree that there is little about her programmes and achievements - what have she and her party done, other than get into office and return to office? That is all that is written about here.Parkwells (talk) 08:19, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Correct year of birth

The lede says Hasina was born in 1947 and the info box – in 1949. Which one is correct? Cinosaur (talk) 07:32, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

pronunciation

Would IPA of a Bengali pronunciation, rather than only an English version, be too much to ask for? —Tamfang (talk) 03:38, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

not assassinated in 1975 evidently

Her father is Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, we say indirectly.

The lead sentence of article Assassination of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman states, "The assassination of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was incident of homicide of the president of Bangladesh, Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and his entire family."

I do not post the same notice at the other talk page, nor tag either article. --P64 (talk) 23:43, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Again Hasina Wazed

Some editor still adding Wazed with her name despite it has been confirmed that there is no Wazed in her name in talk page. I think this problem should be resolved as soon as possible. Ominictionary (talk) 17:10, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Legally her name is Sheikh Hasina Wajed or Wazed (more accurately). Forbes, Times of India and The Economist have listed her name as (Sheikh) Hasina Wazed. Mostly Sheikh is more like a title so people might not say it or they aren't aware that they should. --Gaurh (talk) 19:55, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

I trust that everyone agrees that Sheikh Hasina is her most common name. That's why the article is titled that way. However, she is also known in reliable sources, after her late husband, as Sheikh Hasina Wajed or Sheikh Hasina Wazed.

In general, the first sentence should mention "significant alternative names for the topic ... These may include alternative spellings, longer or shorter forms, [and] historical names." This quickly orients readers who may not be familiar with a person's different names. The first mention should be the person's full name rather than their common name.

What full name should be used for a woman who was notable before she married, was later referred to by her husband's name (even though according to The Guardian, she didn't like it, at least as of 1999), and was widowed in 2009? Editors must use common sense to balance alternative names against clarity.

The version that has been used since 10 December 2015 has the advantage of brevity (especially important when the Bengali name, IPA spelling, pronunciation, and full date of birth are all crammed into the first sentence):

Sheikh Hasina Wazed (Bengali: শেখ হাসিনা ওয়াজেদ; English: /ˈʃeɪk həˈsiːnə/, SHAYK hə-SEE-nə; born 28 September 1947) is the current Prime Minister of Bangladesh, in office since January 2009.

From 19 January 2015 until 10 December 2015, the married name was tacked on to the end of the paragraph:

Sheikh Hasina (Bengali: শেখ হাসিনা; English: /ˈʃeɪx həˈsiːnə/, SHAYKH hə-SEE-nə; born 28 September 1947) is the current Prime Minister of Bangladesh, in office since January 2009. She previously served as Prime Minister from 1996 to 2001, and she has led the Bangladesh Awami League since 1981. She is the eldest of five children of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, the founding father and first President of Bangladesh, and widow of the nuclear scientist M. A. Wazed Miah. She is also sometimes referred-to as Sheikh Hasina Wazed, her married name.

Whether one considers her married name her full name or an alternative name, this doesn't follow the guideline that both should be in the first sentence. It is better, though, than omitting her married name entirely, as the article did from 2011 until 2015. Before that, all the way back to its creation in 2004, the article started with her married name.

One could seize upon the sentence in the guideline, "A woman should be referred to by her most commonly used name, which will not necessarily include her husband's surname (last name)", to argue that the first sentence should start with her maiden name. Even if one interprets the entirety of the guideline that way, the married name should still be mentioned in the first sentence, and any construct for doing so "(married name Sheikh Hasina Wazed; ..." or "(sometimes Sheikh Hasina Wazed; ..." would be clunky and less readable. The parenthetical portion of the sentence would become longer than the rest of it.

I favour starting the first sentence with Sheikh Hasina Wazed. If a subject's full name is Arthur Neville Chamberlain or Annelies Marie Frank, there is no need to explain in the first sentence that they are commonly known as Neville Chamberlain or Anne Frank. Our readers are not stupid; they can understand the equivalence from the similarity of the article title. --Worldbruce (talk) 02:44, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

But she personaly or officialy never used Wazed with her name then how can we write Wazed with her name. Ominictionary (talk) Ominictionary (talk) 15:28, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

@Ominictionary: The links to Wikipedia policy and guidelines, and the evidence of reliable sources, are laid out above. In short, Wikipedia writes Wazed in the first sentence because over the years a significant number of reliable sources have written Wazed. Wikipedia only cares about reliable sources, it doesn't really care about "personally" or "officially" with respect to the first sentence. If you want to propose a different formulation of the first sentence, you need to make an argument for how it would align with policy and guidelines better than the current phrasing, and better serve the reader. --Worldbruce (talk) 17:00, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

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Personal

Corruption Md shahriare zaman shihab (talk) 14:58, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Place of Birth

The actual place of Birth of Sheikh Hasina is missing the country of Birth, which was Pakistan then. Her place of birth is also lacking province, East Pakistan.

Kindly, Pakistan, as a country be edited as her Birth Place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.50.67.162 (talk) 06:25, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Human Rights Abuse

Barely any mention of the rampant human rights abuse of her regime. — Preceding unsigned comment added by From Pluto With Love (talk • contribs) 11:23, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2021

39.40.54.170 (talk) 14:18, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

go

Not an actual request edit. Closed. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:22, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Who is Jonathan Varghese?

I have been stumbled by seeing that somebody wrote 'Sheikh Jonathan Varghese' as her married name. The Bengali name was also in a new paragraph. Seeing so, I corrected this eventually. I think it was an act of vandalization. Ifteebd10 (talk) 17:03, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

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