Talk:Shanhai Pass
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"During the end of Ming Dynasty, Shanhaiguan general Wu Sangui was about to surrender and join the rebel forces of Li Zicheng when he heard that his concubine Chen Yuanyuan was taken by Li Zicheng. Enraged, he contacted the Qing and the leader Dorgon. Afterwards, Wu Sangui opened the gates of Shanhaiguan for Qing soldiers and together fought a decisive battle against Li Zicheng. The victory by the Qing Dynasty hastened the foundering of Li Zicheng's political powers and firmly established Qing as the dominant power in China."
This section is one of two perspectives on wu sanggui's surrender, the other and more beleiveable account is that he was asked to surrender by Li, but once on his way to beijing he heard of the massacres Li's army had comitted, and the murder of his father, so he returned to shanhaiguan, and requested assistance from the Qing. the city was quickly surrendered to the manchu and sanggui's army fought in the front lines against li's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.159.153 (talk) 12:31, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Battle of Shanhan Pass
editDo we have enough material to start a new article on this, or should it redirect to here? -- Миборовский 22:59, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Photo used
editThe photos does not show the Great Wall of Shanhaiguan - it show the Great Wall of Jiumenkou. The text section correctly show the GPS position of Shanhaiguan but the location of the photo is here (40° 7'1.13"N 119°44'38.40"E) approximately 12 kilometers north of Shanhaiguan.
At Jiumenkou the towers are located on top of the wall - so the wall more or less pass through the towers. At the repaired section of Shanhaiguan (this section is called Jiaoshan) most of the towers are attached on the outer (enemy) side of the wall.
All the towers in the used photo are constructed directly on top of the wall, so this clearly show that this can not be Shanhaiguan. Furthermore the tower in the middle of the photo is a very recognizable. The tower furthest to the left with all the windows is also very recognizable and this kind of tower can not be found at Shanhaiguan. The corner that can be seen in the right side of the photo is the beginning of the section across the river with nine openings - thus the name Jiumenkou (九门口 - Nine Gate Pass). Most of the photos published by cited photographer and tagged with Shanhaiguan (山海关) are actually from Jiumenkou.
Jiumenkou belongs to Funing County (抚宁县) - some might even argue that it belongs to Liaoning Province. Shanhaiguan is located in Shanhaiguan District (山海关区). Both are in Qinhuangdao province but not in the same area, so it is not possible to argue that this photo belongs to Shanghaiguan Great Wall. Please have a look at this photo: http://greatwall.se/upload/bryan/09.jpg and compare the two towers with the first two towers visible in the flickr photo - it's the same two towers! The photo is from Jiumenkou! You might want to compare the dark staining on the side of the tower in the middle of the flickr photo. This can be seen in both photos. The linked photo show the same towers and the nine gates that gives this location the name Nine Gate Pass (Jiumenkou).
Some more appropriate photos might be some of these, although some of the show the Great Wall at Jiaoshan - but they belong to the Shanhaiguan area:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kitchenwench/14381167/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidlampert/775933334/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/michaelhogan/5302955038/