Talk:Shamrock Rovers F.C./GA1

GA Review

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Virtually every single ref needs to be formatted right, whether using Template:cite web, Template:cite news, or whatever. I'll give you a couple days to start that and a week to finish, then i'll look to see what else there is to do. Wizardman 01:18, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.99.38 (talk) 00:24, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. That was serious enough to make it borderline almost-fail, but now that that's done I can concentrate on the main article. I'll review it this weekend, though if I don't get to it I'll let someone else finish the review, since I don't have much time these days. Wizardman 16:34, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Grand, thanks. I've created an account to avoid confusion. Onetonycousins (talk) 18:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Taking over

Since Wizardman apparently got to busy or something to complete the review, I'll be taking over. I like to do reviews in several parts: basic stuff, more specific grammar/MoS/etc, and one final read-through. Here is the first set of general suggestions:

• Per WP:LEAD, this article's lead should be about three or four full paragraphs summarizing all the main points of the article.
• This article is well above Wikipedia's desired page length, so I think it is best to use WP:SUMMARY style. Because the article History of Shamrock Rovers F.C. exists (and is linked in the history section), the history really only has to be a general summary, with all the specifics being at the other page. Is there anyway to cut down the history a bit more by using this method?
• Per WP:DASH, wins/loses and scores should be use an endash (6–2) instead of a dash (6-2).
• The logo in the infobox File:Srfc crest.png) needs a fair-use rationale.
• Things like honors, records, and statistics need to have references.

I'll allow seven days for these initial changes. Nikki♥311 23:04, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

• I've edited the lead in accordance with the above.
• The history section is already a summary and I intend to expand the History of Shamrock Rovers F.C. article greatly but I'll see what I can do in terms of slimming it and other sections.
• Replaced dashes.
• It states on the file page that the crest is used with permission of SRFC. If this isn't sufficient then just leave a message here and I'll add a fair-use rationale.
• There's a link to the official SRFC website under the honours which lists all honours won by the club and works as a reference/source. I've fixed that link following the launch of the new club website but as there's no page for european results on the new website yet, I've left an archived version of the old one in that instance. I'll look for some ref's for "other games of note" and "Milestones" aswell as ones for the player records.Onetonycousins (talk) 13:52, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Let me know when you are done making corrections, so that I can look back over the article. Nikki♥311 22:45, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Right Nikki, I'm done. I've slimmed the article as much as possible without cutting out important info and provided as many references for the stats and records as are currently available to me. The other stuff is mentioned above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onetonycousins (talk • contribs) 12:13, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Great. I'll look it over in the next day or so, so be expecting some new suggestions. Nikki♥311 20:42, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Review part 2

• File:Srfc crest.png needs a specific fair use rationale.
• The source at the end of the first paragraph in the history needs to be turned into a footnote for consistency.
• What exactly is a "friendly game"? Maybe a quick definition could be added to the sentence: ...played only friendly games, or unsanctioned gamed, for the first... (I don't know the exact meaning, so that is just an example)
• What are the Four F's?
• Refs should really go after commas or periods (with some rare exceptions). To achieve this (and still cite only what the ref is citing), it is best to just reword sentences.
• There is some inconsistency in dates. Some are written "day month year" and some "month day year".
• "which was observed by the vast majority of Hoops fans." - needs a citation
• In American English "sizeable" is spelled "sizable". Is that a spelling mistake or just another language difference?
• "The capacity of the stadium was about 20,000 (c.1000 seats) for most of its existence, its biggest recorded crowd being 28,000 people for a game against Waterford in 1968. However, larger unreported crowds were present at the venue before then." - needs some citations
• "It is an extremely heated and quite often bitter fixture which has developed most since the 1970s and has traditionally attracted large attendances." - needs a cite
• "In the 2005 Northern Ireland Milk Cup, Shamrock Rovers took on Barcelona and did the club and Tallaght proud with a superb performance in a game in which they were unlucky to lose 2–1." - sounds very POV
• There is one dead link. Is there an archive or replacement source that can be used?

Thanks for being so patient. Nikki♥311 01:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

• Done
• Done
• Done-linked it to main page where it's explained in detail.
• Four F's was the the name of the forward line of the team as explained-Fullam, Flood, Fagan and Farrell.
• Done
• Done
• Done
• Neither as far as I'm aware, I think sizeable is an acceptable variant in American English. Either way, it isn't a mistake. This article is currently written in Irish(hiberno) english btw.
• Done-only one citation currently available to me.
• Done
• Done
• That link appears to have vanished, nothing available on the internet archive. It's only really needed in the last instance in relation to the club's underachievement in europe. It was a good article so it's a shame that it's gone but I'll leave it up to you. Onetonycousins (talk) 20:24, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

The changes look good. It is a shame about the source, but it isn't enough to keep me from passing this article. I replacement will have to be found if the article was ever to be taker to WP:FAC, as their requirements are much, much stricter. Great work. I've passed the article. Nikki♥311 20:14, 28 March 2009 (UTC)