Talk:Serica

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"These Neo-Persians were cruel and treacherous in war and society, yet the allure of wealth made them acquiescent, and the Romano-Serican intercourse was not halted by the violent removal of the Parthian brokers for long."

I really was like wtf man. Mallerd (talk) 20:02, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

The article is written in extremely flowery language. I'll try to tone it down a bit.--Joostik (talk) 20:41, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Merger

Why not merge Serica with Seres? Theoretically one is about the country the other about the people, in practice it comes down to the same. The whole article seems superfluous.--Joostik (talk) 22:57, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Imaus

This article says the "Imaus" are the Tian Shan; but Seres says the Imaus are the Pamir Mountains . Only one can be correct. Wardog (talk) 14:10, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

removing POV tag with no active discussion per Template:POV

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"Land where silk comes from" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Land where silk comes from has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 26 § Land where silk comes from until a consensus is reached. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:52, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Σηρίνδα

Wikipedia nowhere mentions Σηρίνδα (Serinda) as another name of the land of the Seres. 2602:306:C4CE:9AF9:CCAA:709:3521:C041 (talk) 04:55, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Could you provide a source where we could see/learn more about this variant nme? Remsense聊 04:58, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I suppose that the first (or only?) mention of Σηρίνδα ('Sērínda) is in the writings of Procopius, in the story of the monks who smuggled silkworms out of the country. Mention of Serinda can be found online in

'Mapping Byzantine Sericulture in the Global Transfer of Technology',

'The Changing Place of Silk throughout Antiquity: From the Earliest Evidence in Aristotle to the Twelfth Century A.D.' by Alexandra Kujanpaa, and

https://www.abebooks.com/first-edition/Serindia-Detailed-Report-Explorations-Central-Asia/22876931248/bd,

to name a few, and the last one solves the mystery for me, because we find there this quote of Aurel Stein:

"The term Serindia, as adopted (in the form Sérinde) by valued French fellow-scholars, is excellently suited for the designation of this region, well-defined by nature as well as by historical relationship. Significant brevity would amply justify its use even if the interpretation which derives Procopius' local name Serinda from a compound of the terms [in Greek Seres, the classical name for the people of Serica or China] and India may prove to have no better foundation than 'learned popular etymology'".

In other words Serindia is a modern creation based on an assumed etymology for Sērínda, and the present Wikipedia article does indeed mention Serindia (I used a word search looking for Serinda and thus missed it the first time).

Since it is Sērínda, and not Serindia, that Procopius actually used (I've checked), I'll go ahead now and make the change to the article myself :) 2602:306:C4CE:9AF9:E5F0:BA0:F848:7B8C (talk) 00:21, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

thank you very much! Remsense聊 00:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)