Talk:Serer language

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--Amazonien (talk) 03:20, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

To Kwamikagami

It is evident that you have added Fula-Serer in both the Serer-Sine language article and Fula language article. That was after I've removed them both. Not only is Serer the progentitor of Fula, the Fula just like the Wolof tend to borrow wherever they settle. Fula may be similar to Serer just like Wolof may be similar to Serer with Serer as the "root" (see Serer people this issue has been addressed there) but Serer is not Fula and has nothing to do with Fula and vice-versa. Please remove "Fula" from the Serer-Sine infobox and remove "Serer" from the Fula language infobox. Further, to put Fula before Serer (i.e. Fula-Serer) in both infoboxes appears rather patronising and implies that the Serer language derives from Fula when in fact it is the other way round. I know perhaps that was not your original intention but that's what it implies. Please remove them both. Thank you. Tamsier (talk) 02:38, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Serer and Fula are related languages. One is not the progenitor of the other. The progenitor would be called "Proto-Fula–Serer". Please check the references I provided. As for "Fula–Serer" vs "Serer–Fula", that is just petty, like saying Indo-European should be called "Euro-Indic", or that we should change NC to "Congo–Niger". The current order is the one found in sources. See eg. here.

And please post either here or on my talk page, but not on both. — kwami (talk) 03:02, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

The sources you have provided are based on the population size particularly in Senegal (i.e. Wolof, Fula, Serer in that order). Further, these are the same scholars whose comments about the Serer people over the years are far less than noble mainly influenced by the Muslim Mafias of Senegal (Muslim brotherhoods of Senegal) - mostly made up of Toucouleurs, Fulas and Wolofs. There is no reason for adding Fula here or adding Serer in the Fula language page other than to cause controversy. Fula is not even in the French version of Serer-Sine language, neither is Serer in the French version of Fula language. Related they may be, but they are entered separately after Nothern Atlantic. Even the Wolof language article (which you have also edited) is not desecrated as the Serer-Sine article has been done here. This for you may seem petty but it sends a dangerous message. I will not have the language and history of my people poisoned as it has been done for centuries. I shall remove it immediately. See following external links and sources for your perusal. [1][2]

Tamsier (talk) 08:19, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but everything you said is wrong. (1) Population size has nothing to do with it. (2) I don't know who "these same scholars" are; if you have evidence that anyone I cited has said this, please provide it. (3) Of course there's a reason. If you had actually read what I wrote, you would understand that. (4) WP-fr is irrelevant. We don't use Wikipedia as a source for Wikipedia. (5) They are not separate in Northern Atlantic, they form a node within Northern Atlantic. (6) "Desecrated"? "Poisoned"? Are you a racist, that you think the Fula will pollute this article? (7) Wolof has nothing to do with it. It's in a separate branch of Northern Atlantic. You would know that if you'd read the sources. (9) If you think it's "dangerous" to say that Serer and Fula are related, then I do not have a polite word to describe you. But you have no business editing an encyclopedia, where articles are supposed to reflect sources, not bigotry. — kwami (talk) 09:17, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Strange and strong words from Tamsier, Unesco link] I could not understand such sentiments you would think we were adding Afrikaan to the Ngoni family. --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 10:48, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

@ User:Kwamikagami, accusing me of racism and bigotry in both here and the Fula language edit summary does not mean your dubious claims have any merit whatsoever. You have previously deleted all the sources I have cited in this article and posted new sources in order to promote your agenda. I have never denied the relatedness of the Serer language and Fula that is not the issue here and you very well know it, have a look at the previous posts and edit summaries if you must. Further, I am well aware that Wiki French is not a source. If you read my post you would have realised that I already provided a source and referred you to French Wiki only as an external link distinct from the source provided. In any case, since you are one of the Fula language editors, why haven't you made a link to the Serer language in that article? In fact, that article mentions nothing about the Serer language other than what appears in the infobox. The opposite is the case in the Serer language article albeit your pointless attempts to tell us how Serer and fula are related. Further, what is this thing about "not all Serer people can't speak Serer?" A minority can't. So? Indeed not all Fula can speak Fula but speak Wolof though you've failed to mention that in the Fula language just like you failed to mention the borrowing from Serer language by the Fulas, eventhough you delighted us with how Fula has borrowed from Mandinka, Wolof etc. What are you trying do here? This is getting fruitless and I have neither the time nor the inclination to keep going back and forth. If you have something positive to add to the Serer language article, please do so, otherwise refrain from distorting the language of my people to promote your Fula agenda. And please stop getting fellow Muslims to come to your aid.

Tamsier (talk) 00:50, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

God, you are a bigot. I've provided sources. I'm sorry you're insecure about your ethnicity, but that's not our problem on WP. — kwami (talk) 05:04, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

@ Kwamikagami, You went against protocol by deleting my sources and inserting your own. As I have told you before, if you have a different source, you cite your source, so that the general reader gets both sides of the argument. You do not go around deleting my sources and edits just to make a point. As I have told you before, it is unprofessional to use such vulgarity against another editor more so coming from an Administrator like yourself. If you are unfamiliar with the rules of being an Administrator, I suggest you refer to them. As for my ethnicity, how can I be insecure with such a magnificent history and civilisation like the history of the Serer people to which I belong? How can I be insecure about a culture (Serer culture) that had shaped Senegambian culture for centuries? How can I be insecure about an ethnicity, the only ethnicity as noted by Elisa Daggs, Klein and others as the only ethnic group that defeated Islam for nearly a thousand years whilst the other ethnicities particularly the Fula may I remind you, succumbed to the sword of the Almoravide and speedily adopted Islam as their new religion? Oh no! I am not insecure about my ethnicity, I am very proud of my ethnicity, my culture, my language and history. Thank you very much. What you need to worry about is to stop your edit warring against me that has gone on for long enough. If you have anything of value to add to Serer related articles, I'm sure everyone including myself would welcome it with open arms. If you haven't, then please refrain from disrupting Serer related articles to prove a point. It is unhelpful and it is unprofessional more so coming from an Administrator like yourself. Tamsier (talk) 11:40, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Undue section template on infobox

This template has been added in the infobox. The reason being the infobox suggests some sort of superiority of one language over another. Attempts to resolve this issue has been permanently deleted. Tamsier (talk) 17:08, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Ajami OR

Ajami! These people were not even Muslims until very recently (the ones who chose conversion), so how could they have adopted Ajami? They were the most resistant to Islam! I can't open this so called source by SIL. If it is a legitimate SIL document, we should not give the impression that this had been historically used by these people, because they didn't, and were not even Muslims until recently. 2A00:23EE:2100:31F0:9440:BB76:7E07:495F (talk) 05:45, 29 April 2024 (UTC)