Talk:Seamless robe of Jesus
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How was it constructed? edit
How would such a seamless robe be constructed? --Damian Yerrick (☎) 21:14, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Like a poncho, maybe.
Answer edit
The words used in the New Testament are confusing. The New Testament is in Greek, so the words that are used pertain to Greek clothing, not to Jewish clothing.
The traditional garments of the region, which continued to be widely worn by Palestinians until the state of Israel was formed, are often made of narrow strips of cloth, joined vertically, and with decorative horizontal bands at the hems, and front panel. The strips could be unpicked and recycled many times, with remnants from adult clothes being reused either in sections, or as childrens clothing. The bands that had patterns woven into them were particularly valued. The decorated bands might be 2 to six inches wide, while the plain cloth was typically 8 inches wide. It is very much easier to weave narrow strips than wide ones.
The statement that Jesus's clothes, all except the seamless robe, were divided, implies that they were literally divided into component sections. The "seamless" nature of the robe that they cast lots for doesn' mean that it had no side seams like a sock or that it was loose like a poncho. It means that it was made from a single piece of material, not lots of small strips joined by many seams, as was more usual.
Traditionally, two places in the region have produced beautiful twill-woven lightweight textiles that are typically 40 inches wide. One of these places became world famous for its textiles, Damascus. The other place, of which the main product was the pyjama-striped material seen so often in illustrated Bibles of the archaeologically-minded 19th century, was Bethlehem. The material for Jesus' seamless robe might well have come from the town of his birth.
Requested move 14 June 2021 edit
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 (talk) 21:26, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Seamless robe of Jesus → ? – It doesn't seem that the term "seamless robe of Jesus" is used that much, according to the sources listed on this page. I think a more-frequently-used term should be used, like the "Holy Robe", similar to the Holy Lance and the Holy Chalice, though I admittedly haven't looked much into the usage of any of these terms. --UltimateKuriboh (talk) 06:41, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose, already as good as any other name and easily recognizable as a descriptor. I wouldn't have known what the 'Holy Robe' was referring to, but the present title makes it clear. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:31, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think your 2nd sentence is a valid point, as "Holy Lance" and "Holy Chalice" aren't great descriptors either, although people could probably make the connection for Chalice due to how popular the Holy Grail is in popular culture. --UltimateKuriboh (talk) 05:55, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
- True though, I wouldn't have known. Holy robe could mean Priestly robe (Judaism), which is described as sacred. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:43, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think your 2nd sentence is a valid point, as "Holy Lance" and "Holy Chalice" aren't great descriptors either, although people could probably make the connection for Chalice due to how popular the Holy Grail is in popular culture. --UltimateKuriboh (talk) 05:55, 15 June 2021 (UTC)