Talk:Sea cucumbers as food

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Why is this under the Cantonese name if it's an ingredient, not a dish? I believe it should be under Sea cucumber, subsection "Culinary use." If an equivalent of the Beef article (vis-a-vis the Cow article), it still wouldn't be under a single foreign language name such as the current Cantonese name. Badagnani 04:25, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Hoi sam happens to be the animal/ingredient/culinary name in most asian regions. Benjwong 16:02, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, if so then keep it under this name. I guess it's something like "bok choy," where most people use the Cantonese name? Badagnani 16:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it's eaten all over China, and there are obviously more people speaking Mandarin than Cantonese, but in other countries (especially in the States and Canada), there seems to be more people speaking Cantonese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.75.181 (talk) 07:06, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

So, do you prefer "Hoi sam" instead of "Haishen" for the title? Badagnani 07:47, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes. I find it insulting to translate everything to Cnatonese even though it's completely unecessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.75.181 (talk) 02:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

This is about as cantonese of an ingredient as it gets. Benjwong 04:48, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I get it--even if it's eaten in other regions, it's acknowledged as a typically Cantonese food, the way Peking Duck is recognized as a Beijing-style food, even if it's eaten down south. Is that a fair assessment? Badagnani 06:04, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

So how is it Cantonese when it's eaten well-over China?

Please sign all posts by adding four tildes after your post. I think the same way that fried chicken is still considered a typically southern U.S. dish, although it's eaten in all parts of the U.S. now. Or clam chowder is considered a New England dish, even though it can be found in other parts of the country as well. Badagnani 11:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

It's not the same thing, sea cucumber is produced as well as eaten alone the coast of China since forever. It is not unique to Cantonese culture. User:cecikierk

OK, I was just going from User:Benjwong's assertion that this is known as a typical Cantonese/Hong Kong food (implying that it is not known as a food from other coastal regions of China, or that if it is eaten in those areas, that it is still associated as a Cantonese-style food that has been imported). Badagnani 01:32, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

• Question - If this is simply the Cantonese name for "sea cucumber," then it isn't a dish, but simply the translation of the English word "sea cucumber." Thus, shouldn't we merge this text into Sea cucumber#Culinary use? Or should we treat it like the Pig and Pork articles, keeping the animal and the food made from the (dead) animal in separate articles? Badagnani 01:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I am open to internationalising it if the article is moved to Sea cucumber (food). I am really not so sure about moving it to the animal/biology article. Benjwong 04:59, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I think moving this article to Sea cucumber (food) is a good idea, after all that's what the food product is usually referred to in the English language. Merging Bêche-de-mer into this article would be the next step after the move. If no one objects to this, I will move it within the next week. Sjschen (talk) 23:39, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

If you can make the move as well as merge. Please do. Benjwong (talk) 02:24, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

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Content moved from Talk:Bêche-de-mer

Requested move

Bêche-de-mer → Sea cucumber – I feel that the original article is redundant but I am unsure whether its appropriate to move it. Glacierfairy 16:05, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

This should be a merge request and not a move request. —  AjaxSmack  01:30, 26 September 2006 (UTC)