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Latest comment: 2 months ago5 comments3 people in discussion
My name is Alec and I work in arts communications for FMcM media agency in London. In reference to the article I am currently trying to editing and make suitable for publication, I acknowledge that Scarlett Sabet is one of our clients. However, I do not believe this to be a conflict of interest as the creation of a page for her is in the overall best interests of Wikipedia and the community. As a poet, performer and her relation to Jimmy Page means she is of sufficient notability. I apologise for previous confusion in relation to this draft and I acknowledge my significant ignorance and lack of experience in editing Wikipedia. I would appreciate all help and advice you can offer to make this page suitable. Thank you very much for your patience and help with this. Alec
So... you are being paid to edit, but you want volunteers to help? How about you spend a few hundred hours editing other articles which need improving before tackling the most difficult task on Wikipedia, which is creating an article from scratch. Theroadislong (talk) 15:56, 5 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
Hi, first of all I don't really understand your confrontational tone. It's really quite unpleasant and not constructive.
I have acknowledged my lack of wikipedia knowledge and I presumed the people who volunteer on this website did so as they wanted to both help develop the encyclopedia and assist less capable users like myself.
My experience should be irrelevant if the common goal is making the collection of pages as current, comprehensive and illuminating as possible.
In particular this section: 'New members are prospective contributors and are therefore Wikipedia's most valuable resource. We must treat newcomers with kindness and patience—nothing scares potentially valuable contributors away faster than hostility. It is very unlikely for a newcomer to be completely familiar with Wikipedia's markup language and its myriad of policies, guidelines, and community standards when they start editing.'
I'm not quite sure your response and involvement in the editing of this draft best reflects this ethos, do you?
You say The Sun and The Daily Mail newspaper are not reliable sources. There is perhaps an argument, however, they are the two biggest selling newspapers in the UK, adding to the significance of the coverage you doubted. And in this particular case, they have been used to support the fact that the subject of the article is in a relationship with Jimmy Page. This is a known fact and the content reflect in the articles cannot be doubted for its validity, rendering your rejection invalid.
The goal is to get a page created for the subject. I will ask again, what needs to be done to the page to make this happen? Over 15 new sources from major online news sources, none for which the validity of its claims being within doubt, were added since the previous edit. Apparently seeing the Daily Mail and The Sun's names is instant grounds for rejection.
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Paid editing may be tolerated by some, but it is not encouraged. I am not prepared to help you. Theroadislong (talk) 16:29, 5 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
Okay. Would you then be able to pass this on to someone else who can help please? Thank you very much.
Hello Alec. Welcome to Wikipedia. I will try to help you. Firstly, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It doesn't have articles about every subject. The Wikipedia community has come up with a set of guidelines about what it should include and what it shouldn't include. The relevant guideline here is WP:NCREATIVE. Secondly, the community has also reached consensus on what sources should be considered reliable and which should not. The Sun and the Daily Mail fall into the latter category as they are not known for their fact checking. That doesn't mean that everything printed in those papers is untrue, just that we don't use them as references. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:42, 5 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
Hi there, thanks so much for answering. Really appreciate your attitude. I totally understand that reasoning, thank you for clearing it up. I have now removed those sources and re-published the draft. It would be really helpful if you could tell me what is now preventing it from going live? What else do I need to do to satisfy all your criteria?
I do understand your fellow admin's suspicion and hostility towards paid editing however I just want to assure you (and them) that there's no malevolent hidden purpose to trying to create this page. I simply noticed Scarlett doesn't have one, and given her notability (which both in her own right as a poet, actor and performer I consider sufficient, but also as Jimmy Page's partner it must be said) I think it would benefit the site, its users and the world more broadly if she had an entry in the encylcopedia. Curb Safe Charmer (talk)
Thanks so much for being so patient and helpful. Best wishes, Alec
Being Jimmy Page's partner is not a grounds for notability here on Wikipedia. Your personal view that the article will be useful doesn't hold much sway either. Editors will assess whether she is sufficiently notable solely on the extent to which others have written about her poetry. In my view, this is not far from a borderline case as I've not seen evidence of much in depth coverage about her work. Interviews with her about her work aren't considered to be independent sources, though being interviewed by notable publications should increase their value as sources. I've accepted the article, though that doesn't guarantee it will be kept as someone else might disagree that she passes the notability test. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 22:00, 5 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 8 months ago2 comments2 people in discussion
Notability is borderline, it seems to rest on her being Jimmy Page's partner and notability is not inherited. Theroadislong (talk) 22:54, 5 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
Indeed. She doesn't seem notable at all. Her only notability is because of her partner. It appears that this article is part of an attempt to launch her public career. I personally wish her good luck, but we need to adhere to WP policies. Ashmoo (talk) 14:23, 30 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 4 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
Multiple sources don't support the claims their cited next to. For example the reference cited in that her poetry is influenced by beat poets doesn't state that at all. It just states that her and Jimmy Page visited a beat poet's grave. Sulfurboy (talk) 22:58, 5 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
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