Talk:Satchel Paige/Archive 2

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Article needs language cleanup...

As much as it may be an entertaining read, alot of the language used in this article is not up to WP standard, and it probably does not pass the muster of a B-grade article. Other claims likely came from Paige himself, and are POV. I've bolded some examples:

On July 9, 1948, Paige became the oldest man ever to debut in the major leagues, at the age of 42 years and two days. With the St. Louis Browns beating the Indians 4–1 in the bottom of the fourth inning, Boudreau pulled his starting pitcher, Bob Lemon, and sent Paige in. Paige, not knowing the signs and not wanting to cross his catcher up, did not put too much on his first pitch, which Chuck Stevens lined for a single into left field. Jerry Priddy bunted Stevens over to second. Up next was Whitey Platt, and Paige had had enough. He threw an overhand server for a strike and one sidearm for another strike. Paige then threw his Hesitation Pitch which put Platt in such a funk that he threw his bat forty feet up the third base line. Browns manager Zack Taylor bolted from the dugout to talk to umpire Bill McGowan about the pitch, claiming it was a balk, but McGowan let it stand as a strike. Paige then got Al Zarilla to fly out to end the inning. The next inning, he gave up a leadoff single, but with his catcher having simplified his signals, Paige got the next batter to hit into a double play, followed by a pop fly. Larry Doby pinch hit for Paige the following inning.

--Chimino (talk) 05:42, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to follow Wiki guidelines by "Being Bold" and editting away. Posting requested changes on Talk that you could easily perform and are straight forward and probably wouldn't be disputed is counter-productive. Ckruschke (talk) 19:26, 19 June 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke

I went ahead and rephrased those sentences. --Jprg1966 ^(talk) 19:55, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

POV issues

The article suffers from POV issues, especially in the "Post-playing career" section. The language looks like it might be copied directly from a book. POV, ambiguity and wording issues include: "was never taken seriously," "although it was mainly done," "blasted major league baseball," "HOF induction speech was misinterpreted," "white baseball elite," "appearing on a few TV shows," "buzz died down," "early 1970s," "mostly an honorary position," "on his baseball highway." Zepppep (talk) 03:08, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Do what you can. Since you've read through much of the problem areas, flag what you need to and reword the rest. My opinion is if it isn't supported by a reference, it's fair game, but then that's just me. Ckruschke (talk) 04:14, 30 August 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke

That kind of wording, which you see in many articles, practically screams "plagiarism!" It could just be a wikipedia editor's style, but not likely. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:36, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

From a skim, the post-playing career has been nearly unchanged in at least five years, likely more. If all that content is from 2006 or earlier, that makes seeing if it's a copyvio nearly impossible. In any case, the section needs to be completely rewritten, it certainly doesn't sound encyclopedic. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 04:45, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

If an editor steps up, we might get more insight. If no one can state they wrote it and cite appropriately, large POV chunks may very well have to come down. Zepppep (talk) 05:27, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Here's the first major edit (from 2005!) here. Since that, User:BRMo has expanded it big time and cited it. He didn't get to the post-playing section but did most of the rest of the article. All we can do is combine out efforts and rewrite pieces. If anyone has access to the couple bios on Paige and wants to clean the final couple sections, even better. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 05:31, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Photo "Satchell Paige Tells His Public How He Does It"

From the Teenie Harris Archive, part of a series "Rise & Fall of the Crawford Grill"

Title: Negro League pitcher Satchel Paige seated at bar with Leonard "Big Bill" Williams on left, and other men, in Crawford Grill No. 1

Caption: Cutline of image published in Pittsburgh Courier newspaper July 26, 1941, pg. 16, reads: "Satchell Paige Tells His Public How He Does It - Satchell Paige, who first won fame as a pitcher in Pittsburgh, returned to the scenes of his early diamond exploits last week long enough to have a chat with some of his old friends at the Crawford Grill. Above, Satch' is shown talking to some of his followers and telling them how he struck out Joe DiMaggio three times and beat Dizzy Dean four out of five. Satchell is slated to pitch in the East-West game Sunday. - Harris Photo."

However, I don't know how to get this record or a reference to it into the article. Where is it appropriate?

Search for Satchel Paige at the Teenie Harris Archive search page in the Carnegie Museum of Art. Larry Koenigsberg (talk) 17:49, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

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Satchel Page Post-Playing Career, 2nd to the last paragraph

In 1980, Paige was named vice-president of the Triple-A Springfield Cardinals, although it was mostly an honorary position.[according to whom?]

This statement is inaccurate. The St. Louis Cardinals Triple A affiliate from 1998 to present is the Memphis Redbirds. (Wikipedia, Memphis Redbirds), Springfield had a minor league team St Louis affiliate 1932-1946 and a double A affiliate 2005-present. (Wikipedia Springfield Cardinals)2603:9000:9D20:E2EB:A1E0:5E5:8C27:E599 (talk) 15:32, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Should be Springfield Redbirds, I believe, the Illinois one. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 00:29, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Famous quote

Paige is often quoted as saying, "Don't look back, something might be gaining on you." ESPN says this was one of the sayings he had printed on his business cards. The name of the movie about him no doubt reflects this saying. Worth mentioning in the article?

Michael Hurwicz (talk) 04:15, 15 April 2021 (UTC)