Talk:Sanford and Son

Creators

Should Lear and Yorkin *really* be down as creators? Surely as it's a remake, the true creators ought to be Galton and Simpson, the creators of Steptoe and Son? Angmering 14:04, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Added a note to that effect. Lee M 14:29, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Changes made

i fixed up some of the grammar and got rid of a rogue space. i also removed a parenthesised comment in the section detailing his faked heart attacks regarding his departed wife - i found this to be redundant as it is explained earlier in the article that his wife perished.-Nosirrah Yendor 01:23, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

can someone state in the sanford and son article why donna was not with him in the new sanford series, what became of her, is it explained? i realize fred meets eve in the new sanford but why wouldn't he be with donna when she was with him to the end of the sanford and son series? and why would they change daniel's name to cliff, could they not pay attention enough to make it the same in the new show a few years later? just an observation and annoying irritation about continuity issues. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.129.170.102 (talk) 20:40, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Catch-all guest appearances

Frank Nelson made numerous appearances on the show, playing different characters, but always introducing himself with his trademark "Yyyyeeeeesssss, may I help you"? tag, . Also, there was a period where there was another recurring character actress that Fred called "the white Esther", appearing almost every episode, as I recall. I couldn't find the name of this actress anywhere.

You are referring to Fritzi Burr; here's her IMDb profile address: www.imdb.com/name/nm0123007. TamYum 15:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Based on Steptoe

This article definitely has a need for greater references. The one thing that doesn't need to be cited, however, is its status as a remake of Steptoe and Son. This fact is in the credits on each episode, so if you wanna start citing obvious facts like this, then you're, logically, gonna have to cite references to Norman Lear as exec producer, cast member's names, and other extremely basic, incontrovertible truths about the series. CzechOut 07:12, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I can't agree with that at all. People coming to the article who know Sandford but not Steptoe, or vice versa, won't know on what basis the "remake" comment was made. Sandford could have been made perfectly well with another director: it could not have been made at all if Steptoe had not existed. The two are simply not comparable in significance. 86.132.138.205 14:14, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

"Coveted" Friday time slot?

What about the Friday night death slot?

68.19.144.56 12:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)ah3133

I agree. Inconsistent logic. Plus, it "knocked off" the Brady Bunch when its popularity had already faded. Ditto21688 (talk) 18:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

In the media

While there are numerous references to this show in various video games and on TV, simply listing instances comprises original research of the "I saw this one night while watching TV" type. While I have no doubt this show made an impact on the American culture, the appropriate way to show this would be to cite reliable, varifiable sources that make this point. Due to Wikipedia's "no original research" policy, we cant simply say for ourselves "this show made an impression, here are some examples." Rklawton 16:19, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Nigga?

The "Controversy" section repeatedly quotes characters as saying "nigga". I'm pretty sceptical that that spelling would have been used in a 1970s NBC show with a white cast - unless anyone has closed-captions or something showing different, I'd suggest that it should be "nigger". (And "sucker", not "sucka", too.) 86.132.138.205 —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 14:17, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I've seen the unedited version, and the current spelling reflects how he pronounces it. Kel - Ex-web.god (talk) 00:46, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

• Foxx and Page were Southern--Redd, in fact, would frequently give shout-out to his birthplace, St. Louis, in his stage act. That's how we say it down here, with the swallowed r. --The_Iconoclast (talk) 01:38, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

While we're talking about that, I saw Fred Sanford, Legal Eagle, on TV Land, and they leave in the line "Look at all these niggas in here!" The article makes it sound like that part was removed, and perhaps it was in subsequent airings, but I certainly heard that line on TV Land; in fact, it's one of my favorite lines from the series. Evil bacteria (talk) 19:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

What's Happening and Sanford & Son, sets

I recall seeing somewhere that these two shows used the same sets. I think it was on a TVLand documentary. Is this something that should be in the articles on these two shows?Smiloid 07:38, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Why does TVLand mute phone number in this show?

I've seen three episodes of this on TVLand recently where a character is speaking a phone number. Even though the phone number is the usual 555-xxxx, the audio of the other digits is muted. For example, in one, the lines goes something like "the number is 555-47.." In another, it's "555-....", and another "...55-28..." Anyone know why they're doing that? Kel - Ex-web.god (talk) 00:50, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

• Maybe because some 555 phone numbers are now in use, unlike in the past when such numbers were reserved. See 555 (telephone number). --Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:19, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Dennis Burkley?

No mention of Lamont leaving and being replaced for some portion of the series by Dennis Burkley? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.106.71.49 (talk) 04:15, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

• That was the 1980 revival of the series, Sanford (TV series). --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:45, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Sanford - slave revolt.

The last executions in the US for slave revolt where of slaves called Caesar, Sam, and Sanford on October 19, 1860 in Alabama.[1]. Was this in anyone's mind when naming the character? Tsinfandel (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:53, 29 April 2012 (UTC).

Probably not -- Redd Foxx's real name was John Sanford. Misterdoe (talk) 17:39, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

"Gregarious" humor?

I removed the following passage:

Sanford and Son has long been hailed as the precursor to many African American sitcoms, such as The Cosby Show. Although sometimes gregarious in its humor, Sanford and Son was groundbreaking for African Americans on television. James Whittle of The Washington Post called it "a show that broke new ground and paved the way for Cosby...". And Gene Siskel, known best for his critical reviews of both television and movies, said this: "What All in the Family did for the Caucasian race in our nation with television, Sanford and Son did for African Americans. It is one of the two most noted and significant African American sitcoms since the invention of television."

I was suspicious of this passage at first because of the misuse of the word "gregarious" (it means "sociable"); if the word has a definition that would fit into that sentence, I can't find it. Second, I can't find any evidence of either the Whittle or the Siskel quotes outside Wikipedia and its mirrors. Third, I can't find evidence that anyone named James Whittle is or was a writer for The Washington Post. And finally, Gene Siskel is known for his critical reviews of movies, but he was not known as a television critic to any significant extent. I was able to search the electronic archives of the Chicago Tribune, where Siskel worked, and I could not find any such quote from him. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:43, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

The entire broadcast history should be noted.

I realize this isn't TV Guide, but I still think the broadcast history of primetime TV shows should be noted. --TVBuff90 (talk) 04:55, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

How many 4th season episodes?

The season rundown says 25, the DVD listing says 24. --Khajidha (talk) 23:57, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Time of airing

The "Reception and cancellation" section says the show aired at 9PM, but the "Ratings" section says it aired at 8PM (except for one episode in its last season). This inconstancy should be fixed. --Thomprod (talk) 18:26, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Changed to 8PM per [2].--Thomprod (talk) 23:55, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Aunt Esther

@Sjyglm: This is an Encyclopedia, we don't take personal opinions as fact. Where are your third party sources to support your claim ? Why aren't you discussing this on the article's talk page, which is better then arguing about it in edit summaries. - FlightTime (open channel) 16:19, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

@Sjyglm: How about removing the entire statement ? - FlightTime (open channel) 16:56, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

@FlightTime: Since her religion it can't be proven either way, I'm fine with removing the religious designation for Aunt Esther. That's why I left as staunchly religious!

Lamont

Shouldn't Lamont have his own page seeing how he is a main character, has appeared in more episodes then Fred (due to behind the scenes issues) and is pretty essential to the show. Aunt Esther has a page and she is not as involved as Lamont. --Hellothere4 (talk) 19:12, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

More Aunt Esther

I included an example of Fred's catchphrase greeting when encountering Aunt Esther. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1012:B014:1941:C66:55D4:CAB5:92D3 (talk) 01:48, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Aunt Ethel

If she's important enough to mention, shouldn't she have her own character section or at least be mentioned on the actresses' page? Literally the only reference I can find is in the Esther Anderson section where it says she replaced Ethel! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dstar3k (talk • contribs) 05:30, 8 June 2022 (UTC)