Talk:Samuel Chapin

Sources

I'm not exactly sure why this is flagged - there are several listed sources there. This is well-known information - there is even a Chapin book which thousands of Chapins are familiar with - the overwhelming majority of Chapins are descended from this guy (including Harry Chapin, Mary Chapin Carpenter, and others). The family's descendants married into the families of Franklin Roosevelt and Noah Webster. What criteria need to be proven here? 70.23.25.69 14:14, 18 April 2007 (UTC) One of many many Chapins

• What needs to be sourced? Everything. Wikipedia requires reliable secondary sources for its information. Any statements not relying on such sources should not stay in an article for long... Valrith 18:06, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
  • A problem in terms of sourcing is that the most reliable sources are typically text, not web sources, and the people who are familiar with them and know how to access them are not experienced Wikipedians. I have no idea how to cite print titles here - one has to talk to a research librarian to find the original "proof" of the connections, because the original book is that old, and has not been reprinted. However, the knowledge in that book is circulated around the internet all over the place, on dozens of independent sources checking genealogical data, in interviews about heritage, etc. A smaller copy of "The Puritan" is in the permanent collection of the Metropolitan Museum of Art. I know how to link an article on IMDB - I don't know how to explain in brief how an esoteric genealogical text *is*, in fact, relevant to an online encyclopedia. Googling "Chapin Genealogy" gets over 90k hits, though, and the ones which aren't spam basically all reference Deacon Samuel or his offspring. So, the thing is - it's relevant(I believe), it's provable, but it's hard to cite clearly, especially for people who aren't Wiki-literate. 71.247.229.124 (talk) 14:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

The listed information can *all* be found in the cited sites, though sometimes not on the specifically cited page. Perhaps it should be better-explained and linked (I didn't write any of the content), but the listed sites do include the information available here. If I get a chance I'll dig up the name of the book to properly source some more of the statements. 70.23.66.161 15:12, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

• There aren't any cited sites. There are some external links, but those aren't references... Valrith 18:40, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
• I believe the Chapin genealogy book in question is (now) available online, from archive.org, at http://www.archive.org/details/chapingenealogyc1862chap if someone wants to collect the desired citations. CarlRJ (talk) 00:21, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Date of birth

Older versions of this page gave a birthdate of October 8, 1598 but today or yesterday the article was changed to be a baptism date. How is that handled in the dates following Chapin's name in the lead? WikiParker (talk) 13:22, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

John Adams

A search for "John Adams" and "Samuel Chapin" on Google Books brought up only one mention of direct descent but a number that gave significance to an aunt of Adams' being a descendant. I think it unlikely then that there is a direct descent. For the record here is the book that said Chapin was a progenitor of Adams: The Universalist Register: Containing the Statistics of the Church, with an Almanac for 1875, Universalist Publishing House, Boston, 1875, p.87, http://books.google.com/books?id=trf4cCtHDAAC&pg=RA7-PA87 WikiParker (talk) 14:04, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

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