Talk:Sam Altman/Archive 1

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Potential ref

• https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/31/technology/sam-altman-open-ai-chatgpt.html

Removed here. --Hipal (talk) 16:46, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Content was returned to article by an editor, per edit history comment. Thank you for reference, as I used it for my re-write.--FeralOink (talk) 22:44, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Birthday / Altman Technologies

First: Various sources claim that he was born on April 22, 1985 (including some Wikipedia pages of other languages); however none of them are reliable. Can we add it?

Second: Some sources claim that he is the owner and president of Altman Technologies Incorporated. The same question goes here. Ramanujaner (talk) 13:24, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

No, those sources aren't correct. this Sam Altman is not the same person who is the owner and president of Altman Technologies in Bridgeville, Pennsylvania. The other Sam Altman founded this five-person industrial surfacing, wiring, and mechanical supply company in 1998, when the BLP's Sam Altman was 13 years old. Also, Crunchbase, which is fairly reliable, correctly links its entry for Altman Technologies to the other Sam Altman. So, wrong age and wrong location. Thank you for noticing and asking, Ramanujaner, as BLP Sam Altman does own a lot of different companies!--FeralOink (talk) 23:55, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Quote

I added this quote into personal life section, and was reverted twice: "I have guns, gold, potassium iodide, antibiotics, batteries, water, gas masks from the Israeli Defense Force, and a big patch of land in Big Sur I can fly to." what's your problem with short quote in text? Paraphrased, it would be "He owns guns, gold, potassium iodide, antibiotics, batteries, water, gas masks from the Israeli Defense Force, and land in Big Sur." How is it better than a quote? Artem.G (talk) 17:49, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

forgot to ping Hipal. Artem.G (talk) 19:34, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to the talk page.

Besides the WP:QUOTE and WP:UNDUE concerns, it appears to fail WP:V and be WP:OR because the reference doesn't mention "prepper" anywhere. --Hipal (talk) 22:22, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

how would you call a person who said about himself I prep for survival? That's from the same source. And it's not undue, he appears everyday in newspieces talking about AI safety, AGI and stuff, and the fact that he himself is preparing to survival adds a lot to the picture. Artem.G (talk) 07:18, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

more sources: Meet OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, who learned to code at 8 and is a doomsday prepper with a stash of gold, guns, and gas masks, Sam Altman: The quick, deep thinker leading OpenAI, I Used to Make Fun of Silicon Valley Preppers. Then I Became One., Sam Altman: The optimistic survivalist whose AI bot could take over the world. Artem.G (talk) 07:28, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Drawing from a lengthy article where the authors choose to use Altman's own words to briefly bring it up, rather than attempt to describe it, I'd leave it out completely.

Thanks for the potential refs. I'm assuming those are the best available, and they're poor at best in light of the very high standards required by BLP. Tread carefully, maybe with the NYTimes. --Hipal (talk) 16:39, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

How are these refs "poor"? NYTimes, Business Insider, and Times of Israel call him prepper based on his own words, and he never denied it. A person saying he preps for surviving is a prepper, if it quacks like a prepper and talks like a prepper.

And about "high standards of BLP" - I totally get it, we need reliable sources for biographies, but how is this was deemed reliable and not undue? Recode reported that Altman might run for Governor of California in the 2018 election, which he did not enter. Doesn't sound more reliable for me, and is undue as it never really happened. Artem.G (talk) 17:14, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

The best references are those that go into depth and provide comparisons and context. I'd say the New Yorker is the best of them, and it uses a quote rather than goes into any depth or context on this matter. Please just be careful. As for your govenor example: WP:OSE. --Hipal (talk) 17:37, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

I know the policy, and I'm not trying to edit war, I'm just saying that a lot of other statements in the article are referenced by the sources that don't provide any depth. (Like He received his first computer at the age of eight. - there is no discussion in sources, and it based entirely on Altman's own words, same as our subject.) And that's why I wanted to add a quote, so there would be no misleading statements, just his own words about an important aspect that is highlighted in several sources. Artem.G (talk) 20:21, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

one more source, Inside OpenAI CEO Sam Altman's fixation on death and the apocalypse. Artem.G (talk) 20:31, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Father is Roger Altman

Any reason this pretty important feature of his life history is mysteriously absent? 136.26.44.183 (talk) 03:55, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

This doesn't seem to be true. Palm Puree (talk) 14:34, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Lack of content on OpenAI and artificial intelligence

Hi, in my opinion, this article has very little content on some of the topics that make Sam Altman so well-known : his role in OpenAI, and the debate around the capabilities, risks, opportunities and policy of artificial intelligence. This represents a significant part of his media coverage, with plenty of reliable sources. Of course if you do it you should be very careful to give a fair, balanced, interesting and well-sourced overview. Here was my attempt to cover the topic of Altman's views on artificial intelligence (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sam_Altman&oldid=1167754292#Opinions_on_artificial_intelligence), if you deem that there is something to retrieve. Alenoach (talk) 05:43, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia article about Altman, not a soapbox for his recent prognostications. We should focus on what he has done. --Hipal (talk) 19:28, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Worldcoin

I think this sentence is controversial and not so directly related to Sam Altman :

"In April 2022, a report from MIT Technology Review highlighted Worldcoin's controversial practices in low-income countries, citing that Worldcoin takes advantage of impoverished people to grow its network."

One reason is that it seems like the article is attributing the direct responsibility of the misconducts of some third-party contractors to Worldcoin. Another issue is that it suggests that Worldcoin's choice of starting with low-income countries is cynical and unethical, which is unclear given that the additional income from Worldcoin would benefit poor people most.

The paragraph on the May 2023 hack is better and more factual. Its relevance here may still be debated depending on how much we want to enter this kind of details on Sam Altman's article. Or perhaps we want to have some coverage of the less anecdotal skepticism around Worldcoin.

I let you decide. Alenoach (talk) 13:47, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes, this article has too much not directly related to Altman. Good catch. --Hipal (talk) 19:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Reads like an advertisement tag

The article DID read like an ad! That was appropriate tagging. I rewrote the article (restructured, added sources, updated content, removed quasi-fan cruft verbiage). The tone is more encyclopedia-like but I am uncertain if it is ready for the ad tag to be removed. If anyone especially Hipal who tagged it initially, has any thoughts on this, please let's talk about it. Due to OpenAI, Altman's BLP is getting A LOT of views lately.-- FeralOink (talk) 22:52, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

There are still many poor references in the article. --Hipal (talk) 23:30, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree. I also think some of the wording needs to be made less like a press release in a few places, but didn't have further time to work on it.--FeralOink (talk) 23:57, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

I fully agree. Unfortunately, attempts to restore WP:NPOV keep getting reverted by people, often people who refuse to even take part in talk. -- Rei (talk) 10:30, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Fully protected edit request on 20 November 2023

An earlier edit (Special:Diff/1186003145) added "K" as a middle initial of Satya Nadella which seems utterly unsourced and does not exist outside of Wikipedia (and was on nl Wiki [1] which I've removed [2] since it seemed like a direct translation of en's text) Wikipedia seems to be the only place with that now.

Proposed changes in Sam Altman#Microsoft:

• Remove K and wikilink: Satya K Nadella → [[Satya Nadella]]
• Remove trailing space after .: team. <ref> → team.<ref>

Skynxnex (talk) 19:58, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:10, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Skynxnex (talk) 20:15, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 20 November 2023

Link potassium iodide to the relevant Wikipedia article. Evanf32 (talk) 21:48, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Please establish consensus for this change, it seems WP:Overlinking to me. Nil Einne (talk) 22:20, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

It is, and generally speaking, Wikilinking words within quotes is discouraged anyway. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:41, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Kara Swisher says she has a scoop

I am not a good enough Wikipedian to know off the cuff whether these tweets are noteworthy or sufficiently reliable in her voice for inclusion, but my longstanding impression is a lot of Silicon Valley goes to Kara Swisher when they want to leak, and her leak reporting is nearly flawless, unlike her op/eds. So I offer these excerpts for consideration by the more steeped in such questions: "it was a 'misalignment' of the profit versus nonprofit adherents at the company. The developer day was an issue.... Sources tell me that the profit direction of the company under Altman and the speed of development, which could be seen as too risky, and the nonprofit side dedicated to more safety and caution were at odds. One person on the Sam side called it a “coup,” while another said it was the the right move." Sandizer (talk) 03:11, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Wait until it is reported by reliable sources. We are not in any hurry to report what might be speculation. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:13, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Things are going so fast it's already several updates old. Sandizer (talk) 22:42, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

The page is wrong. He is CEO. Again.

Page is not up to date. Sam is back. 2A00:1110:23B:3E56:9567:7F9D:85A8:D0A6 (talk) 15:40, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

He's back.

https://twitter.com/openai/status/1727206187077370115?s=46&t=HUarsCF30BFrz3xURMUMPQ

HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 06:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Third-party reliable source: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/22/openai-brings-sam-altman-back-as-ceo-days-after-ouster.html ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:07, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

+ Additional source: [3]https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/22/23967223/sam-altman-returns-ceo-open-ai – NirvanaToday^t@lk 12:36, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Technically, the post says that they are still figuring out the details, which means that we might still need to wait a while for this edit.Pksois23 (talk) 12:57, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

He's back. And this time, it's official.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/sam-altman-returns-openai-ceo-infighting-ai-startup-rcna126214 SteelerFan1933 (talk) 16:27, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 22 November 2023

Altman has been announced to return to OpenAI as CEO. Ihikky (talk) 07:51, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Deactivating request as duplicate (see several sections above). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:33, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 22 November 2023 (3)

Sam altman has returned to the post of CEO in OpenAI, it's all over the news, can you edit it? Thanks. 4vidit.bansal (talk) 15:18, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Deactivating request as duplicate (see several sections above). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:33, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 22 November 2023 (4)

Add information about Sam Altman being back as CEO of OpenAI as it was just announced by OpenAI on X/Twitter AhmedEdits (talk) 17:38, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Deactivating request as duplicate (see several sections above). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:33, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 22 November 2023 (5)

Sam Altman is currently the CEO of OpenAI 2001:1970:51A4:D600:200B:435B:1EFF:B99C (talk) 18:57, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Deactivating request as duplicate (see several sections above). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:33, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Incorrect date of return as ceo

Tuesday, November 22 2023 does not exist 2A02:C7C:B237:9600:8879:4F0F:F313:B388 (talk) 12:33, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done. thanks. Grayfell (talk) 20:29, 23 November 2023 (UTC)