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I noted a big difference in the spanish page and the english page. I am doing a research on Telesforo Julve. In Spain it is believed that Julve took over the Ibanez y Hijos cy in 1929. Probably he took over the machineries + the foreign clients (Japan + Mexico) + workers + the brand name. I do not have hard sources for this assumption. The street fight in Valencia is hard to believe: Valencia fell 31-3 and franquists just took Valencia by marching in. Do you have full names of the brothers? Ton Bogaard Purmerend Holland — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonbogaard (talk • contribs) 10:59, 29 February 2012 (UTC)