Talk:Salsa roja

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Requested move 14 July 2018 edit

Latest comment: 5 years ago6 comments4 people in discussion

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved Salsa roja picante to Salsa roja, but I've left the other article as it was because it was never notified of this discussion. Please open a separate discussion for that page. Anarchyte (work | talk) 11:10, 23 July 2018 (UTC)Reply

Salsa roja picante → Salsa roja – The Mexican salsa verde and salsa roja are listed under the names salsa verde picante and salsa roja picante in the Spanish Wikipedia only because there are other (non-spicy, non-Mexican) sauces that are green/red. (The Spanish salsa verde is a herb sauce similar to the Italian salsa verde and the French sauce verte. See Commons:Category:Merluza en salsa verde for example.) In Mexico, the spicy salsas are just called salsa verde and salsa roja. The article about the Mexican green sauce is titled "Salsa verde (Mexico)" in the English Wikipedia, to avoid confusion with the Italian salsa verde. Unlike the phrase salsa verde which can mean both the Italian/Spanish herb sauce and the spicy Mexican salsa, the phrase salsa roja seems to mean only the spicy Mexican salsa. (The equivalent Italian phrase would be salsa rossa, not roja.) Currently "Salsa roja" is just a redirect to "Salsa roja picante" in the English Wikipedia. --Ptko (talk) 07:54, 14 July 2018 (UTC)Reply

Support. Well-reasoned case against excessive disambiguation (WP:CONCISE, WP:PRECISE, WP:RECOGNIZABLE are all factors; no one in English refers to Mexican (or derived Southwestern US – NM, Tex-Mex, Cali-Mex) salsa roja as "salsa roja picante"; only a Spanish speaker would say that, and they would specifically be asking for the hot stuff, not the mild stuff, from a supplier who provided salsa roja in different spiciness grades. I also have to suggest that we move Salsa verde (Mexico) to Salsa verde as the primary topic, an that Salsa verde no longer redirect to Green sauce; a disambiguation hatnote would be sufficient. But that should be proposed in a separate RM. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 08:24, 14 July 2018 (UTC)Reply

I would add that it REALLY only would be used by, say, a Spanish speaker trying to differentiate what we know as "salsa" from another red sauce, like ketchup. Even so, it's usually disambiguated as "mexicana", not "picante". Red Slash 09:57, 18 July 2018 (UTC)Reply

Support both per the excellent nomination. Red Slash 11:43, 16 July 2018 (UTC)Reply
Closing remarks: @Ptko, SMcCandlish, and Red Slash: Please see the closing comment. I have not moved the green sauce page as it was never notified. Please create a separate discussion for that one. Anarchyte (work | talk) 11:10, 23 July 2018 (UTC)Reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

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