Talk:Sakai people (Indonesia)

Malaysian Orang Asli v Indonesian indigenous group

Hi @Yosri:. In reference to your recent undo (Special:Diff/864030107), based on the 2 sources that you've used are "Malaysia's Original People: Past, Present and Future of the Orang Asli" (page 82) and "Routledge Handbook of Contemporary Malaysia" (page 22), it clearly refers to the Malaysian Orang Asli as it states it there in its contents plainly. The other sources that I've cited in the article earlier that refers to the Sakai people from Indonesia are "Land, Law and Environment: Mythical Land, Legal Boundaries", "Orang Sakai di Riau: masyarakat terasing dalam masyarakat Indonesia : kajian mengenai perubahan dan kelestarian kebudayaan Sakai dalam proses transformasi mereka ke dalam masyarakat Indonesia melalui Proyek Pemulihan Pembinaan Kesejahteraan Masyarakat Terasing, Departemen Sosial, Republik Indonesia" and "Orang Sakai di Riau: Masyarakat Terasing dalam Masyarakat Indonesia". The Orang Asli Sakai that you've reference uses Aslian languages, while the Sakai from Indonesia uses a dialect closely related to the Minangkabau language. If you Google "suku Sakai Riau", you'll find that they're of a different ethnic group altogether from the Sakai of Malaysian Orang Asli. The name Sakai that was used in Malaysia is an older name used during the British colonial, and the current official name that's being used is Semang. If you check earlier edits that I've made in this article, you'll find that I did the same mistake as you too. For that reason, I've included a "for:" tag on top of the article to avoid confusion of the 2 ethnic groups. Therefore, my edits was not based on my "personal opinion" by throwing in sources simply without reading them. -Jeblat (talk) 02:46, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

@Jeblat: If you wish to talk about Orang Sakai Indonesia, please create a new specific Indonesian Sakai page. I dislike term hijacking. Yosri (talk) 03:05, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

@Yosri:. There is no term hijacking here, as the name is also used in scholarly sources. It is absurd to say that the ancestors of both ethnic groups would hijack the name from one another. The word Sakai might have a different meaning for both ethnic groups, just as it also may carry a different meaning or connotation in other languages. Please refer to the editing history as this article was first created by @Afandri Adya: in direct reference to the indigenous people from Indonesia as he mentions in the editing summary "Created page with 'Sakai is one of the tribes in Indonesia who live in the interior of Riau, Sumatra. Sakai is a Minangkabau descent who migrated to the edge of Gasi...". There is already a separate article for the Sakai of Malaysian Orang Asli in existence, see Semang (also an article I'm planning to work and improve on soon, just as I've done in a lot of the Orang Asli based articles). Other than that, it's quite self-explanatory in my first post above. So I will conclude the misunderstanding and revert to the previous edit. -Jeblat (talk) 03:43, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

UPDATES: While checking on the sources in the Semang article, there is a misinformation that the Semangs are referred to as Sakai. The Orang Asli group that is referred as Sakai are actually the Senoi. -Jeblat (talk) 03:38, 28 November 2018 (UTC)