Talk:Saint Paul, Minnesota/GA2

GA Review

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Reviewer: The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 19:59, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I will be reviewing this article. My review will be posted in the next few hours. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 19:59, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

:Note: I have not yet completed the review. However, any commentary is welcome. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 21:06, 18 December 2010 (UTC) I have now completed the review. I am placing the article On Hold for two one weeks to give editors time to fix the problems addressed below. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 21:41, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

1. Clearly written, in good prose, with correct spelling and grammar (done)

:1. Clearly written, in good prose, with correct spelling and grammar Lead "It is the only city in the US, with a population of 250,000 or more, to increase the circulation number of Sunday newspapers in 2007." - grammar; remove the commas by "US" and "more".  DoneBobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 22:02, 18 December 2010 (UTC) "The settlement originally began at present-day Lambert's Landing but was referred to as Pig's Eye, when Pierre "Pig's Eye" Parrant established a popular tavern there." - grammar; consider rephrasing to "The settlement originally began at present-day Lambert's Landing, but was referred to as Pig's eye when Pierre "Pig's Eye" Parrant established a popular tavern there."  DoneBobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 22:02, 18 December 2010 (UTC) History "...from the local Dakota tribes in 1805, in order to establish a fort." - grammar; consider omitting the comma.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 22:33, 18 December 2010 (UTC) "Fort Snelling was built on the territory in 1819..." - On or in?  Not done 'Territory' here is used like 'property', as in, 'The fort was built on the territory that had been ceded.' The alternative, 'The fort was built in the territory that had been ceded' doesn't sound right when replaced with quasi-synonymous 'property': 'The fort was built in the property that had been ceded.' Feel free to disagree, though. BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 22:33, 18 December 2010 (UTC) I thought the article was talking about this type of territory. But I guess I was mistaken. The UtahraptorTalk/Contribs 22:53, 18 December 2010 (UTC) "In 1847 a New York..." - Consider adding a comma after 1847.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 22:33, 18 December 2010 (UTC) "...the western Rondo neighborhood was obliterated by the construction of Interstate 94..." - tone; consider replacing the word "obliterated" with the word "demolished".  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 22:33, 18 December 2010 (UTC) "The tallest buildings were constructed in the late 1980s such as Galtier Plaza (Jackson and Sibley Towers), The Pointe of Saint Paul condominiums, and the city's tallest building, Wells Fargo Place (formerly Minnesota World Trade Center)." - Consider rephrasing to "The tallest buildings, such as Galtier Plaza (Jackson and Sibley Towers), The Pointe of Saint Paul condominiums, and the city's tallest building, Wells Fargo Place (formerly Minnesota World Trade Center), were constructed in the late 1980s." Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 22:33, 18 December 2010 (UTC) "The 1990s to 2000s saw a continuation of the tradition of ushering new immigrant groups to the city." - tone; consider rephrasing to "In the 1990s and 200s, the tradition of bringing new immigrant groups to the city continued."  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 22:33, 18 December 2010 (UTC) Geography "The city's defining physical characteristic, the Mississippi and connecting Minnesota Rivers were carved into the region..." - Consider adding a comma after the word "Rivers".  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 22:46, 18 December 2010 (UTC) "The Mississippi River forms a municipal boundary on part of the city's west, southwest and southeast sides." - consistency; add a comma after "southwest".  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 22:46, 18 December 2010 (UTC) "Minneapolis, the state's largest city lies to the west..." - Add a comma after city.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 22:46, 18 December 2010 (UTC) This entire section could use a good copy edit. Adequate now? BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 22:46, 18 December 2010 (UTC) Looks good. I've made a minor copy edit to the section, as well. The UtahraptorTalk/Contribs 22:52, 18 December 2010 (UTC) Neighborhoods "The boundaries are adjusted depending on population changes, as such, they sometimes overlap..." - Consider replacing the first comma with a semicolon.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 22:53, 18 December 2010 (UTC) There are supposedly seventeen districts, yet eighteen of them are listed.  Fixed BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 22:53, 18 December 2010 (UTC) Climate "...including snow, sleet, ice, rain, thunderstorms, tornadoes and fog." - consistency; add a comma after tornadoes.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 22:55, 18 December 2010 (UTC) "...especially during late December, January and February." - consistency; add a comma after January.  Hooray for serial commas! BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 22:55, 18 December 2010 (UTC) Demographics "The Irish would become prolific in politics, city governance, and public safety much to the chagrin of the Germans and French..." - Consider adding a comma after safety.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 23:04, 18 December 2010 (UTC) "In 1850, the first of many waves of Swedish immigrants passed through Saint Paul..." - tone; consider rephrasing to "In 1850, the first of many groups of Swedish immigrants passed through Saint Paul..."  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 23:04, 18 December 2010 (UTC) "A large group settled in Swede Hollow which would later become home to Poles, Italians and Mexicans." - Consider adding commas after Hollow and Italians.  Done and done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 23:04, 18 December 2010 (UTC) "Mexico opened a foreign consulate in the 2005." - Consider removing the word "the", or consider adding the word "year" after the word "the".  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 23:04, 18 December 2010 (UTC) "...comes from Irish, German, Scottish, and French Canadian settlers who in time would be bolstered by Hispanic immigrants." - Consider adding commas after who and time.  Done and done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 23:04, 18 December 2010 (UTC) "For every 100 females there were 93.6 males." - Consider adding a comma after females.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 23:04, 18 December 2010 (UTC) Economy "The 3M Company is often cited as one of Saint Paul's companies though it is located in adjacent Maplewood, Minnesota." - Consider adding a comma after companies.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 23:22, 18 December 2010 (UTC) "...is directly across the municipal border of Saint Paul in Little Canada[60] though the company's address is listed in Saint Paul.[61]" - Consider adding a comma after Canada. Make sure the comma goes before the citation, not after.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 23:22, 18 December 2010 (UTC) "The city is home to the Ford Motor Company's Twin Cities Assembly Plant, which it opened in 1924." - Consider revising to "The city is home to the Ford Motor Company's Twin Cities Assembly Plant, which opened in 1924."  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 23:22, 18 December 2010 (UTC) "...adjacent to a company-owned dam, which generates hydroelectric power.[63]" - Consider removing the comma after dam.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 23:22, 18 December 2010 (UTC) Culture "The city is associated with the Minnesota State Fair located in nearby Falcon Heights as the fair grounds are..." - Consider adding a comma after Heights.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:01, 19 December 2010 (UTC) "who lived in Merriam Park from infancy until early 1960." - Consider adding the word "the" after until.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:01, 19 December 2010 (UTC) "Other notables include playwright August Wilson who lived in the city from 1978 until 1990. He wrote much of his decalogue of plays about the African-American experience in the 20th century during this time, premiering at the Penumbra Theatre. Other 20th century notables include renowned painter LeRoy Neiman and photographer John Vachon.[68]" - Consider revising to "Other notable residents include playwright August Wilson, renowned painter LeRoy Neiman, and photographer John Vachon."  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:01, 19 December 2010 (UTC) "...the city boasts popular Irish pubs with live music such as Shamrocks, The Dubliner and O'Gara's." - Consider adding a comma after Dubliner.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:01, 19 December 2010 (UTC) "Saint Paul hosts a number of museums including the University of Minnesota's Goldstein Museum of Design;[75] The Minnesota Children's Museum;[76] The Schubert Club Museum of Musical Instruments;[77][78] The Minnesota Museum of American Art;[79][80] The Traces Center for History and Culture;[81] The Minnesota History Center; The Alexander Ramsey House; The James J. Hill House; The Minnesota Transportation Museum; The Science Museum of Minnesota; and The Twin City Model Railroad Museum." - Consider placing a comma after museums, and consider replacing all of the semicolons with commas.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:01, 19 December 2010 (UTC) Media Italicize City Pages.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:11, 19 December 2010 (UTC) "And the magazine, Saint Paul Illustrated is published in Bloomington." - Consider revising to "The magazine Saint Paul Illustrated is published in Bloomington."  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:11, 19 December 2010 (UTC) "...MPR's programming reaches 5 million listeners..." - Write out numbers less than 10; i.e. one instead of 1, two instead of 2, etc.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:11, 19 December 2010 (UTC) "The Fitzgerald Theater, renamed in 1994 for Irish native and novelist F. Scott Fitzgerald is home to the show.[84]" - Consider adding a comma between Fitzgerald and is.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:11, 19 December 2010 (UTC) Sports "Saint Paul hosts a number of professional, semi-professional and amateur sports teams." - Consider adding a comma after semi-professional.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:34, 19 December 2010 (UTC) "Citing the history of hockey in the Twin Cities and teams at all levels, Sports Illustrated affectionately called Saint Paul the new..." - Italicize Sports Illustrated.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:34, 19 December 2010 (UTC) ..."it was named the best overall sports venue in the U.S. by ESPN." - Remove both periods in the word US.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:34, 19 December 2010 (UTC) "...Hall of Fame outfielder Dave Winfield, Hall of Fame infielder Paul Molitor, pitcher Jack Morris and catcher Joe Mauer." - Consider adding a comma after Morris.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:34, 19 December 2010 (UTC) "Minnesota's oldest athletic organization, the Minnesota Boat Club resides in the Mississippi River..." - Consider adding a comma after Club.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:34, 19 December 2010 (UTC) Government "The city is also the county seat for Ramsey County, named for Alexander Ramsey the first state governor." - Consider adding a comma after Ramsey.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:34, 19 December 2010 (UTC) State and federal "Many state departments and services are headquartered throughout Saint Paul such as the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources." - Consider adding a comma after Paul.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 01:17, 19 December 2010 (UTC) "Minnesota is represented by Amy Klobuchar, a former Hennepin County Attorney, a Democrat, and Al Franken, a former comedian and satirist, a Democrat." - Consider rephrasing to "Minnesota is represented by Democrat Amy Klobuchar, a former Hennepin County Attorney, and Democrat Al Franken, a former comedian and satirist."  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 01:17, 19 December 2010 (UTC) Education "...include three public and eight private colleges and universities, and five post-secondary institutions." - Consider removing the comma.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 06:30, 19 December 2010 (UTC) "Well-known colleges and universities include: the College of Saint Catherine, Concordia University, Hamline University, Macalester College, and the University of St. Thomas." - Consider removing the colon.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 06:30, 19 December 2010 (UTC) "Those languages are English, Spanish, Hmong and Somali." - Consider adding a comma after Hmong.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 06:30, 19 December 2010 (UTC) "The district runs 82 different schools including 52 elementary schools, twelve middle schools, seven high schools, ten alternative schools and one special education school..." - Consider adding a comma between schools and including, and between schools and "and".  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 06:30, 19 December 2010 (UTC) "...including Early Childhood Family Education, GED Diploma, language programs and various learning opportunities..." - Consider adding a comma after programs.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 06:30, 19 December 2010 (UTC) Transportation "Residents utilize Interstate 35E running north-south, and Interstate 94 running east-west." - Consider removing the comma.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 06:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC) "...but will not have its own line, the Central Line along University Avenue until 2014." - Consider adding a comma after Avenue.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 06:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC) "Jesse Ventura brought up the city's roadways during an appearance on the Late Show with David Letterman while Governor of Minnesota.[115]" This sentence doesn't make sense.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 06:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC) "Some of the city road design is the result of the..." Consider replacing city with city's.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 06:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC) "The airport serves three international, twelve domestic, seven charter and four regional carriers[123]..." - Consider adding a comma after charter.  Done BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 06:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC) "The airport, also known as Holman Field, is a reliever airport, run by the Metropolitan Airports Commission." - Consider removing the comma after the second use of airport.  Hallelujah BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 06:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

2. Factually accurate

• References five, 21, 31, 54, 64, 73, 81, and 92 are deadlinks. This should be fixed.
• There is one {{citation needed}} tag that needs to be addressed. Other than that the referencing looks good. The information in this article matches the sources well.

 Done, I think BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 04:36, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

3. Without original research (done)
:3. Without original research No problems here.  Hawt BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

4. Broad in coverage of the topic without unnecessary digressions (done)
:4. Broad in coverage of the topic without unnecessary digressions No problems here.  Sweet BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

5. Written from a neutral point of view (done)
:5. Written from a neutral point of view I did see a bit of promotional talk in the Sports section, but otherwise there are no concerns.  Done I think I got it. BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

6. Stable, with no ongoing edit wars (done)
:6. Stable, with no ongoing edit wars There is some vandalism, but it is dealt with quickly. There are no recent edit wars. No problems here.  Tight BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

7. Compliant with image use policy (done)

:7. Compliant with image use policy File:Stpaulboats.jpg needs an author.  Doing... I'll check the MN Historical Society archives, although if it isn't listed there, I don't know if anyone knows. BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC)  Not happening Checked the book from which this image came, as well as the MNHS online archive...nothing. Should it be replaced with a different image, or are we allowed to accept the mystery and move on? BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 18:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC) I think it should be removed/replaced. The UtahraptorTalk/Contribs 18:53, 19 December 2010 (UTC)  Done Replaced with not one, but two different images. BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 04:01, 20 December 2010 (UTC) File:Aford.jpg needs an author and a source.  Done Confirmed with uploader. BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC) File:The Ordway Center.jpg needs a description, including the author, source, and date.  Removed Inactive uploader; unlikely that reply will be received. Replaced with different image (the one of the bronze statues.) BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC) File:2006 WCHA Final Five.jpg needs a source.  Done Confirmed in uploader's gallery. BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC) File:1930s HU STUDENTS.jpg needs an author more specific than Hamline University.  Doing... I'll bug the gang over at OTRS and see if there was anything more descriptive in the permission email. It's possible that no other author was given. BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC)  Not happening The OTRS email didn't give a more specific author. Do I replace it or ought I to keep it? BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 18:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC) While a specific author is strongly recommended, given these circumstances, I think it would be OK to keep this image. The UtahraptorTalk/Contribs 18:53, 19 December 2010 (UTC)  Cool BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 04:01, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

This is just a reminder, if you fix/address the deadlinks and take care of the {{citation needed}} tag, I will pass this article. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 01:13, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Yup, still working on it... BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 03:26, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Everything looks good now. I am passing this article. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 22:01, 21 December 2010 (UTC)