Talk:SEPTA City Transit Division surface routes/History by company

The main source is [1] (1876).

Electric Traction Company

• 54 Fox Chase
  • 1911: on 5/6 from Porter
• 55 Fox Chase & Powell

Citizens' Passenger Railway

• 32 10 & 11
  • 1876: 10/11, Reed to Diamond; 10, Reed to Mifflin
  • 1911: 10/11
  • Route 6, eliminated in 1920 because it was redundant with 23

Frankford and Southwark Philadelphia City Passenger Railroad

• 72 Frankford Berks 5 & 6
  • 1876: Kensington-Front-Berks-5/6, Cumberland to Mifflin; Kensington-Frankford, Cumberland to Frankford
  • 1911: on 5/6
  • Route 3 on 12/13
  • Also Route 26 on 6/7, eliminated in 1922?
• 73 Frankford Lehigh 5 & 6
  • 1876: Kensington-Lehigh-5/6, Cumberland to Powell:
  • 1911: on 5/6
  • Became Route 27 on 12/13, eliminated in 1922?

Lombard and South Streets Passenger Railway

• 21 Lombard & South
  • 1876: Lombard/South, Front to 25
  • 1911: Lombard/South west of Front into West Philly
  • Combined with Baltimore as Route 40

Second and Third Streets Passenger Railway

• 71 Frankford 2 & 3
  • 1876: Frankford/Amber-2/3, Lehigh to Mifflin; Frankford, Lehigh to Arrott
  • 1911: on 2/3
  • Combined as Route 5 on 2/3
• Coral/Amber-Dauphin/York-2/3, Lehigh to Dock
• Lehigh-Richmond-Frankford-Fairmount/Brown-2/3, Frankford to Dock
  • Became Route 25 on 2/3?
• 78 Bridesburg
  • 1876: Lehigh-Richmond-Bridge, Frankford to Washington; Richmond, Lehigh-Allegheny
  • 1911: on 2/3
  • Originally ??; later combined with Lehigh as Route 15
• New Market-Vine-Front, Fairmount to Chestnut
• Cumberland, Richmond-Amber

• • One of these became Route 28, eliminated in 1928; another became Route 4??

People's Passenger Railway

• 40 Callowhill
  • 1876: Callowhill, Fairmount Park to Front
  • 1911: crosstown; abandonment planned

• 34 Norris & Susquehanna
  • 1911: west to 32; on 4/8
  • Route 8 crosstown
• 43 York & Dauphin
  • 1911: crosstown
  • Route 39 crosstown?
• 53 Indiana
  • 1911: on 4/8 from Ritner (formely Dauphin) to Rising Sun (formerly Indiana)
  • Route 47 on 8/9?
• 60 Pelham
  • 1911: on 4/8 south to Pine (formerly Snyder)
• 63 Willow Grove 4 & 8
  • 1911: on 4/8
  • Route 55 on 10/11 with short-turn Route 19 on 6/7

Germantown Passenger Railway

• 4/8, Susquehanna to Dickerson or Walnut
  • Became Route 50 on 4/5
• 58 Chestnut Hill, 59 Chestnut Hill 2nd Section
  • 1876: Germantown, Dauphin to Germantown
  • 1911: on 4/8 to South Philly
  • Route 23 on 10/11
• 76 Girard
  • 1876: Girard/Parkside, Palmer to Belmont
  • 1911: Allegheny to 63rd
  • Route 15

Green and Coates Streets Philadelphia Passenger Railway

• 41 Dickinson?
  • 1876: Green/Fairmount-4/8, Fairmount Park to Dickerson or Walnut
  • 1911: on 4/8
• 42 Beach
  • 1876: Green/Fairmount, 4 to Beach
  • 1911: Green/Fairmount crosstown
  • Combined with Spring Garden as Route 43

Philadelphia Traction Company

• 2 19 & 20
  • 1911: on 19/20 to South Philly
• 3 17 & 18
  • 1911: on 17/18 to South Philly
• 7 Catharine & Bainbridge
  • 1911: crosstown
  • Route 63
• 8 Federal & Wharton
  • 1911: crosstown
  • Route 64
• 39 Morris & Tasker
  • 1911: on 22/23; north to York on 31/32
  • Route 29 and Route 7?

Continental Passenger Railway

• 45 Continental Depot
  • 1911: on north? 18/20; along York/Dauphin to 32 (formerly 22)
  • Route 16 on 19/20, eliminated in 1929
• 46 Continental Nicetown
  • 1911: on north 18/20 to Hunting Park (formerly Susquehanna)
  • Route 33 on 19/20

• • South part became Route 17 on 19/20

Philadelphia City Passenger Railway

• 9 Chestnut
  • 1876: Chestnut/Walnut, 42 to Front
  • 1911: on Chester to 65th (formerly Chestnut to 42nd)
  • Route 13
• Belmont-Lancaster-32-Chestnut/Walnut, Fairmount Park to Front
• 12 Darby, 86 Darby Subway
  • 1876: Darby-Woodland-Chestnut/Walnut, Darby or Mount Moriah to Front
  • 1911: on Chestnut/Walnut to Front (formerly Woodland to 49th)
  • Route 11 in the subway

Philadelphia and Gray's Ferry Passenger Railway

• 14 Gray's Ferry
  • 1876: Gray's Ferry-Spruce/Pine-2/3, Schuylkill River to Walnut
  • 1911: to Darby (formerly Gray's Ferry Bridge)
  • Route 12

Ridge Avenue Passenger Railway

• 44 Ridge
  • 1876: Ridge-9/10-Arch, 22 to 2
  • 1911: Arch to Front (formerly 9); north on 29 to Allegheny
  • Part of Route 48
• 38 Manayunk
  • 1876: Ridge, Manayunk to 22
  • 1911: into downtown
  • Route 61 on 8/9

Seventeenth and Nineteenth Streets Passenger Railway

• 50 17 & 19
  • 1876: 17/19, Columbia to Carpenter
  • 1911: on 17/19-Chestnut-Walnut to Front (formerly 4); north to Hunting Park Avenue (formerly Norris)
  • Route 21 on 17/18
• 51 17 & 19 Short Line
  • 1911: on 17/19
  • Route 32 on 17/18

Thirteenth and Fifteenth Streets Passenger Railway

• 13/15-Columbia/Master, Washington to Ridge
• 48 13 & 15
  • 1876: 13/15, Washington to Norris; Broad, south from Washington; Broad, Norris to Glenwood
  • 1911: 13/15 to League Island (formerly Jackson)
  • Route 20 on 12/13

• 47 Cumberland
  • 1911: 13/15 to Shunk (formerly Locust)
  • Route 24, eliminated in 1929?

• 49 Wayne
  • 1911: 13/15 to Jackson (formerly Locust)
  • Route 53

Union Passenger Railway

• Wallace/Spring Garden-7/9-Federal/Wharton, Fairmount Park to Front
• 4 Richmond 7 & 9
  • 1876: Master/Oxford-7/9-Ellsworth/Christian, loop in Kensington to Broad
  • 1911: on 6/9 to South 22/23 (formerly loop in Kensington only)
  • Route 25 on 2/3?
  • South end became Route 18 on 22/23?
• 36 Columbia
  • 1876: Columbia-7/9, 23 to Market
  • 1911: on 7/9
  • Route 51 on 8/9
• Spring Garden/Poplar, Fairmount Park to 7
• Cedar-Somerset, York to Richmond
  • Combined with Lehigh as Route 54
• 7/9-Christian/Ellsworth, McKean to 23

• 33 Cambria 7 & 9
  • 1911: on 7/9 to Arch (formerly Market); to North Philly Station
  • Route 53??

• 35 McKean
  • 1911: on 7/9; west on Arch to 20/23-Poplar-29-Columbia-31/32 (formerly Columbia via 7/Franklin)
  • Route 9?

• 37 Fairmount
  • 1911: Arch to Front (formerly continued south on 7/9 to Broad & Ellsworth); north to York via 29-Columbia-31/32 (formerly Poplar)
  • Route 48?

West Philadelphia Passenger Railway

• 41-Market, Parkside to Front
• 23 Haddington-Haverford
  • 1876: Haverford, 41 to 67
  • 1911: via Market
  • Route 30

Empire Passenger Railway (ETCo/PTCo)

• 1 12 & 16
  • 1876: 12/16, Wharton to Montgomery
  • 1911: on 12/16
  • Became Route 2 on 15/16

Hestonville, Mantua and Fairmount Passenger Railway

• 29 Race & Vine
  • 1876: Belmont-Lancaster-Haverford/Spring Garden-Race/Vine-2/3, Fairmount Park to Walnut
  • 1911: ran into downtown
  • Route 85?
  • Also combined with Green/Fairmount as Route 43
• 27 Haddington-Hestonville
  • 1876: Lancaster, Belmont to 52; Arch, 21 to 2
  • 1911: Arch from 20th to Front (formerly 43rd and Lancaster); west to 63rd and Girard (formerly 52nd and Lancaster)
  • Route 44

Unsure which company had these

• 5 Passyunk
  • 1911: 2/3 to Dock (formerly didn't enter downtown)
  • Route 81
• 6 Point Breeze
  • 1911: crosstown
  • Route 68, eliminated in 1914
• 10 Chester Ave.
  • 1911: truncated east of 40th to connect with el
• 11 Chester Ave. extension
  • 1911: to Darby
  • Route 62
• 15 52 St.
  • 1911: crosstown
  • Route 35
• 16 Elmwood
  • 1911: via Gray's Ferry-Spruce/Pine-9/12 to Arch (formerly Paschall)
  • Route 36
• 17 Island Road
  • Route 45? Route 83?
• 18 Lancaster-Haddington
  • 1911: Market (formerly Chestnut-Walnut); west to 63rd (formerly Belmont) on Girard
  • Route 10
• 19 Baring
• 20 Girard-Belmont
• 22 Bala
  • 1911: south to Market (formerly Jefferson)
  • Route 70
• 24 63 & Vine
  • 1911: into downtown on Market
  • Route 31 and Route 69?
• 25 West Spruce
  • Route 42
• 26 Belmont
• 28 Overbrook
  • Route 41
• 30 58 & 60
  • 1911: north to 63 & Lansdowne (formerly 60 & Master)
  • Route 46
• 52 Glenside
  • Route 86?
• 56 Franklinville
  • 1911: on 5/6; north to Olney (formerly Rising Sun)
  • Route 65
• 57 Olney
  • 1911: doesn't enter downtown
  • Route 75
• 61 Chelten
  • 1911: doesn't enter downtown
  • Route 52
• 62 Chelten-Willow Grove
  • Part of Route 49
• 64 Willow Grove 13 & 15
• 65 Doylestown
  • Route 22
• 66 Hatboro
  • Route 74
• 67 Berks & Montgomery
  • 1911: on 10/11; turned (east?) at Market (formerly south)
• 68 Lehigh
  • 1911: west to Ridge (formerly Broad)
  • Route 54
• 69 Tioga & Dock
  • 1911: on 2/3
  • Route 4?
• 70 Erie
  • Part of Route 49
• 74 Frankford-Bridesburg
  • Route 73
• 75 Torresdale
  • Route 58
• 77 Jefferson
  • 1911: north to Richmond & Allegheny (formerly Hancock & Lehigh) via a very indirect route including Somerset
  • Route 57
• 79 Allegheny
  • Route 60
• 80 Allegheny Short Line
• 81 Chester
  • Route 76
• 82 Media
  • Route 71
• 83 Lansdowne
  • Route 78
• 84 Middletown
  • Route 77
• 85 Subway-Elevated
  • Duh
• 87 Baltimore Subway
  • Route 34
• 88 Lancaster-Haddington Subway
  • 1911: west to 63rd (formerly Belmont) on Girard
  • Route 10
• 89 Baring Subway
  • Route 38

West End Passenger Railway

• 13 Baltimore
  • 1876: 38/40-40/41-Parkside, Baltimore to Belmont
  • 1911: into downtown on Chestnut/Walnut; west to Cobbs Creek (formerly a loop)
  • East half combined with Lombard/South as Route 40
• 31 Zoo
  • 1876: 38/40-Locust-33/36-35, Baltimore to Zoo
  • 1911: short loop
  • Route 67; eliminated in 1918

These don't seem to be in the 1911 list

• Route 14
• Route 37
• Route 56
• Route 59
• Route 66
• Route 72
• Route 79 (recommended as an addition, to turn north on 2/3)
• Route 80
• Route 82
• Route 84

First reply in two years

NE2, I know you haven't worked on this list in two years, but have you ever considered this brochure as an additional source? ----DanTD (talk) 20:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Interesting - I hadn't seen that before. Unfortunately it doesn't have much, and probably doesn't detail all the 1910s changes (Commons:1911 maps of streetcars in Philadelphia). --NE2 23:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Click on some of the pages, and you can find out what years some lines were established, like SEPTA Route 56 in 1907. I admit it doesn't have everything, but still every little bit helps. ----DanTD (talk) 01:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)