Talk:Ruth Stone

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Guggenheims

I see the two guggenheims stated at poets.org [1]; however, there is only one listed at guggenheim foundation. [2]. Slowking4⇔ †@1₭ 17:33, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Many obits, The LA Times, The Washington Post, The Indie, the BBC and Stone's own publishers Copper Canyon and Bloodaxe also state two (1975 and 1976). Bloodaxe says that the money from one helped roof Stone's house. From all these strong sources, I would imagine there was a problem with the Guggenheim search function. It's worth digging for more detail. Span (talk) 18:07, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

well fine. guggenheim says 1971,[3] in the complete database of all fellowships. multiples are very rare. who do you trust to know what they gave - the primary or secondary sources? Slowking4⇔ †@1₭ 18:31, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

It's always tricky to know. I've emailed the Foundation to ask for more details. Best wishes Span (talk) 18:45, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

i left it, but we won't really know without some original research into her papers. wherever her literary executor puts them. i would just say "don't believe everything you read in reliable sources". don't know what the foundation can do about conflicting refs. Slowking4⇔ †@1₭ 18:52, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Sure. I would say that the Foundation archive would be the most reliable as it's the primary source. They can check to see what fellowships they awarded. I mentioned that many other strong sources are in conflict with their web page. We'll see what they say. Modern American Poetry says she received two, this time 1971 and 1975, citing The Oxford Companion to Women’s Writing in the United States. Ed. Cathy N. Davidson and Linda Wagner-Martin. New York: Oxford University Press. Copyright © 1995 by Oxford University Press. Many books say the same. I'm not sure how to contact her literary executors. I imagine they have a lot on right now. Span (talk) 19:09, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

The Guggenheim Foundation emailed to say that Stone received a fellowship in 1971 and 1975 and that they only ever publish on their website a first fellowship awarded to a recipient; (less than useful, perhaps). This fellowship info is echoed by the Oxford Companion (above), so I think that is strong enough to cite and use as a source. Would you agree? I might mail Stone's publishers to say they have the wrong details up on their sites. Best wishes Span (talk) 00:06, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

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