Talk:Russians in Israel

Requested move 10 November 2017

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The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain ^t/c 19:02, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

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Russian people in Israel → Russians in Israel – As another pages of the russian diaspora this page should called only "russians in... (Iran, Georgia)" Gertiu32 (talk) 11:38, 10 November 2017 (UTC) --Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:54, 17 November 2017 (UTC)--Relisting. —usernamekiran(talk) 17:33, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose: Fails WP:PRECISE (in been too precise, and incorrectly and misleadingly so). The proposed name implies Russian nationals who have taken up often temporary residency in Israel, not people in general in Israel (most of the Israeli nationals) who are of a Russian cultural background.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ<  16:05, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm sure that on another pages for example include German or French citizen who are of a Russian cultural background. Gertiu32 (talk) 20:50, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

• Support for now for WP:CONSISTENCY with the other Special:PrefixIndex/Russians in articles and with many other articles of these types (Armenians in ..., Mongolians in ..., Indians in ..., etc.). The contention that "Russians in" has much different implications than "Russian people in" doesn't really seem to be supported by looking at how reliable sources use those two phrases. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 10:44, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
  • I'll also note that still further improvement to the title might be possible, since not all of them came from Russia, but rather other parts of the ex-USSR. (Until a month ago the title was Russian-speaking Jews in Israel, which had its own problems since not all the people discussed in the article are Jewish.) 59.149.124.29 (talk) 10:52, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
• Strongly support per reasons listed above - for WP:CONSISTENCY with the other Special:PrefixIndex/Russians in articles and with many other articles of these types (Armenians in ..., Mongolians in ..., Indians in ..., etc.). Paintspot Infez (talk) 17:26, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

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Bias in article needs to be addressed

The vast majority of Russians in Israel are of Jewish heritage, full or partial. Many of them might be considered Jewish by the Reform and Conservative movements, but not by the Orthodox (the article briefly and blithely mentions halakha, but goes no further into any details). The very first citation in the article, quite outrageously, is a news article about Russian-Israeli neo-Nazis! This is not a neutral article, this is demonization of Russians and a quite blatantly racist division of Russian-Israelis into supposedly diametrically opposed camps: "ethnic Russians" and "Russian Jews". What exactly does "ethnic Russian" even mean in this context? Is an Israeli with a Russian-Jewish father and Russian-Christian mother an "ethnic Russian"? Is an Israeli with a Russian-Jewish mother and a Russian-Christian father an "ethnic Russian"? What if the Israeli has a Jewish maternal grandmother and three "ethnic Russian" grandparents, is he or she an "ethnic Russian"? This article is deeply marred by tendentious, racist views and needs correction. There are two separate articles for Russians in Israel, this article as well as Russian Jews in Israel. Into which article ought non-halakhic (Orthodox halakha?) Israelis of partial Russian-Jewish descent be segregated into? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 10:48, 14 October 2019 (UTC)