Talk:Rozita Swinton

Obama delegate

I removed

Swinton is also a 2008 [[Barack Obama]] delegate from the El Paso County Democratic Party of Colorado. <ref>http://www.peakdems.org/obama_state_del.asp</ref>

because no evidence is offered that they are the same person. The source cited gives a name (with a middle initial not shown to match hers) and a code for a location. To make an assertion that they are the same person requires the OR of matching her and the delegate, presumably by putting together police and voter registration records that both include DoB and name, and explaining any address mismatch. We need a public source that has gives the details of that, not having it done in the article or on this talk page.
I'm not saying it's false, but it needs verification, and i think (tho candidates cannot be held responsible for who gets elected to be their delegates) that including unverified info like this in the midst of a growingly bitter nomination fight, leading into another presumably bitter presidential fight, has the potential of shaming WP as badly as the libel that led to BLP.
--Jerzy•t 19:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

• That's ridiculous. This page is about a woman who made a hoax phone call. Don't try to make it about politics.

The page itself is slated for deletion anyway. A common criminal is not worthy of her own page.
Greenw47 (talk) 13:01, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

• I think Jerzy was trying to make it not about politics, by removing some unsourced (dubious?) information per BLP.
  --Bfigura ^(talk) 13:21, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
• Will the information about her be included in the yfz ranch article then? This woman isn't just a 'common criminal'.. she is (allegedly) a person with a history of repeatedly filing false police reports (and who knows what other laws/crimes? is it wire fraud? etc.) Her alleged latest escapade launched the disruption of probably a thousand or more lives, and launched a nationally publicized scandal. There is currently barely a mention of her on the yfz page.
  Centerone (talk) 04:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

• I've argued for Keep rather than Merge (see her AfD) but my reasoning is not finding support; IMO a Merge is the most likely outcome. My proposal to reduce Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints#April 2008 raid to lk and short summary, and merge most of its content into YFZ Ranch#April 2008 raid has what i'll spin as "an emerging consensus", so i expect the Swinton stuff to land in YFZ Ranch. In that event, you'll have to make a case for her significance in the case, in the face of a decision she doesn't rate her own article and of the largely speculative discussion of her so far.

What i'd emphasize is the fact that "common criminal" denotes a person who violates the law (on a small scale) either for profit or as an expression of person-to-person animus. The act or in question and attributed to this criminal makes her more like a hate-crime or political-crusader criminal, which if verifiable would make her something quite different, and perhaps notable.
--Jerzy•t 01:47, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

• "Ridiculous" is vague and in any case irrelevant; as to the substantive content, i construe GW's thrust as "non-notable, but if kept, any role she has in electoral politics is irrelevant to our coverage of her."

GW is in any case mistaken: the AfD is chugging along strongly leaning away from deletion.
--Jerzy•t 01:47, 27 April 2008 (UTC)