Talk:Royapettah

Tweaking the article

I tried to tweak the article per WP:NOTDIR. My edits include removal of unsourced list entries and framing the available info in sentences. Nevertheless, I have not checked the sources for accuracy yet. Will do in the coming days. Rasnaboy (talk) 17:10, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

Public utilities such as Library, Museum, Airport, Railway stations, Bus terminus, Tourist attractions such as beach, parks, etc. are normally not available in every places. But neighborhood residents visit or use these places.

Without knowing the availability of the above mentioned in neighborhoods near to them, those are not utilized properly. So, mentioning these will help the public.

Whenever an article on 'Neighborhood' is read, the other neighborhoods , subneighborhoods, etc. play important roles in knowing completely about the surrounding by the reader.

So related info can be allowed to publish.

In fact, Thousand Lights Mosque is located in Thousand Lights neighborhood.

-- Helppublic (talk) 07:53, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

A directory or travel guide will list all the nearby utilities in order to help the reader make use of them. That is the very purpose of a directory/travel guide. Wikipedia, on the other hand, is not a directory to help public use the available utilities nearby (see WP:NOTDIR). It's an encyclopedia, and thus the scope of any Wikipedia article is to summarise the factual details about the topic on hand, with proper sources. Please go through any good-quality neighbourhood article in Wikipedia to know how to go about. For instance, let's take the article South Side, a neighbourhood of Chicago. It is a former featured (top-quality) article. See how it's written and what all have been listed in it. Hope this will help us build this article. Rasnaboy (talk) 08:08, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Thousand Lights mosque is in fact located at the border of the original Royapettah suburb region (a part of which is now known as "Gopalapuram" and "Thousand Lights") and hence can be considered as being in the neighbourhood. In other words, the modern divisions of "Thousand Lights" and "Gopalapuram" are all part of the historical village of Royapettah. So it can be included in the article. Rasnaboy (talk) 08:37, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

@User:Helppublic Just added some history. Please review. Will keep adding in the coming days. Rasnaboy (talk) 10:52, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Please discuss in the talk page before making/reverting any changes

Dear User:Helppublic. Please note that several changes that you keep making are not encyclopedic. Please follow Wikipedia's manual of style. The section names must be standardised per other neighbourhood articles. Saying some of the political parties' headquarters are located in the neighbourhood and including their images do not violate neutrality. They are only facts that they exist in the neighbourhood. And removing images of the mosque, clock tower, etc. saying that they below only to the respective articles will only leave the neighbourhood article without any significant images since all have their own articles. For example, in Triplicane article, we have images of the Parthasarathy Temple, which also belongs to the article on Parthasarathy Temple. Removing it would be absurd. Hope you understand. I request you to review the South Side, Chicago article and the the guidelines before reverting the changes. Reverting changes three or more times will be considered edit warring which may result in the administrator's blocking the user's account. Hope you understand that I'm only helping you to build a quality article. Please analyze the changes and discuss your concerns here in the talk page so that every change can be discussed and explained to your satisfaction. Thank you. Rasnaboy (talk) 07:16, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Edit war

There seems to be an edit war going on between User:Helppublic and User:Rasnaboy. I don't know Chennai, so I can't help much, but I'd suggest the following:

• @Helppublic: I agree with Rasnaboy that some of the content, e.g. about railway stations in other neighbourhoods, doesn't belong in this article. See WP:NOTGUIDE. You would be very welcome to create an article about Royapettah on the Wikipedia sister project Wikivoyage, where such travel-related information is expected and useful.
• @Rasnaboy: I'd suggest you try to find a compromise regarding the images. MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE has no hard rules as to how many images are adequate, but I feel that the current version is a bit cluttered with small images. I guess I'd remove two or three of them. Or maybe you could move them all to a collage in the infobox, or a gallery at the bottom of the page. I think Rochester, New York has a good balance between text flow and images.
• There seems to be a disagreement about the extension of Royapettah, for example whether the Thousand Lights Mosque belongs to it. For cases like this, you need WP:RELIABLE sources. The Chennai census document has a low resolution map of the wards of Chennai, but I'm sure there are more precise maps in some reliable sources. That should help decide if the mosque is inside Royapettah or not.
• In general: Try to work together. Neither of you "owns" the article. Try to find compromises. Neither of you will be 100% happy with the result - but that's the nature of compromises.

I hope that helps. If not, you can try getting a WP:third opinion - hopefully from someone who knows more about the subject than me. -- Chrisahn (talk) 10:33, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you User:Chrisahn, for pitching in to help us. I saw the article was written in a directory style but somehow got accepted for publishing, violating WP:NOTDIR. Hence I tried to improve it as much as I can, explaining in detail all that I was doing to User:Helppublic, both in this talk page and in the user's talk page. However, the user doesn't seem to respond to any of my messages but keep reverting the edits, despite my continuous requests, including in the edit summary. Maybe the user prefers to come through different channels rather than directly responding to my queries. :) I'm not very particular about retaining certain images, but added some since this article is still growing and more texts on those images are getting added. The images were added as part of this content addition process (hope you can see it in the edit history). User:Helppublic's concern is that the image or content found in one Wiki article should not appear again in another Wiki article; this sounds strange (or even funny) and I don't know of any Wiki rule saying so. This is like saying the image of Statue of Liberty should only belong in the main article on the statue and NEVER in the article on New York or the United States. I'm okay with deletion of images (I'm sure the user himself will add these when he finds texts on them in the article; strangely he's deleting those texts, too, as he did with Royapettah Clock Tower, for example). Strange, indeed. :):)

I'm not against him (as you can see), let alone to compromise. I'm ready to help him (if only he were ready to listen, respond and discuss), and I'm only trying to reach him in all possible ways (via this talk page, his talk page, and edit summaries). But he doesn't seem to respond to any so far. I hope he is not a bot. Hope he'll respond at least to this message. Rasnaboy (talk) 11:00, 21 October 2020 (UTC)