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RAM IS BIGGER THAN AIR ALGERIE
editCAN SOMEONE BLOCK THE GUY WHO KEEP EDITING THIS PAGE, AND SETS THAT RAM IS SMALLER THAN AIR ALGERIE!
Although I can smell politics and jealousy in their actions I am not concerned with la RAM being smaller or bigger than Air Algerie. To us, ordinary passengers, it is the service that counts. Unfortunetly both these airlines are a disgrace. La RAM Reviews [1] or Air Algerie Reviews [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.75.129.200 (talk) 11:04, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Update
editPage updated. Source--->http://www.royalairmaroc.com/Navigation_New.asp?Rub=01&LRub=La%20Compagnie&SRub=05&LSRub=Flotte
more trivia: sources ??
edittrivia: there have been more incidents recently (after 2001) involving the fleet, especially concerning the formation of some pilots wich could've, in (if i do remember right) 2 cases, possibly resulted in disaster.
another one involved an airplane flying to agadir wich had severe reactor issues, these restarting only after some wind-surfing. in this case it was been found out that the kerosene provided for that flight from an african company was of low standard. if i do remember well, the RAM changed fuel provider after the incident.
those incidents were only reported in some independant moroccan newpapers, not official ones. can be sourced without problems. Omega Said 04:10, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
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Royal air maroc is larger than Air algerie
editsomeone keeps changing the RAM article. they change it so it says that RAM is smalled than Air Algerie. This is incorrect. Please stop vandalising the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.171.249 (talk) 18:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
- List of largest airlines in Africa shows that RAM is larger than Air Algerie. The fleet tables show that RAM has a larger fleet. What other measure could someone use to say that Air Algerie is larger than RAM? --Matt 15:44, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Useful reference
editAlia Royal Jordanian Airlines on behalf of Royal Air Maroc.--Jetstreamer Talk 22:47, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Fleet table
editI have already reverted the following three edits made by 86.80.188.105 (talk · contribs), all to the fleet table of the article:
- [3], addition of unsourced claims
- [4], unsourced as well
- [5], the reference provided does not support the claim it supposes to.
We're having a clear problem with the verifiability policy here. Can you please comment on this? Thanks.--Jetstreamer Talk 20:52, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Algerian War "Kidnapping"
editIn an infamous October 1956 incident during the Algerian war, four Algerian FLN leaders including Ben Bella (later to become president of independent Algeria) were flying in a RAM DC-3 from Morocco to Tunisia when they were ordered by the French to land in Algiers "for inspection." The French arrested the four FLN leaders as soon as the airplane parked on the ramp, and of course the Moroccans were furious at this insult to their sovereignity, but the French asserted that because the airplane had French registration, they had the right to "inspect" it. It helped that the pilot, named Gellier, was a former French air force officer. Reportedly, he had the stewardess somehow distract the passengers so they didn't notice the change of course.173.62.15.245 (talk) 20:38, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Focus cities
editThe focus cities of RAM are not focus cities but secondary hubs . At these airports cabin and cockpit crew is based and depending on the flights RAM send more crew to there secondary hubs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.80.188.105 (talk) 16:59, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
- Do you have reliable sources backing your claims? If so then add them, be bold and fix what's wrong yourself.--Jetstreamer Talk 18:27, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
On a related note, Jetstreamer recently reverted my recent edit, saying "The 'Hub' and 'Focus cities' fields in {{infobox airline}} do not include cities, only airports". From the username, I presume JS is much more familiar with editing in this area than I am. What started me on this path when I happened on this article was the infobox expression "focus cities", which seemed to me to be asking for cities, not for airports. But as I said, I'm not an expert in this area of WP. So I decided to add information by including a link to both the city and the airport, and doing it in such a way that would not consume any extra screen real estate, which is precious, especially in an infobox. I did pause a bit before changing the "Hub" because (unlike the expression 'focus cities') that obviously refers to an airport, not a city. But in the end, I thought it best to include two links rather than just one, as a way of providing the reader with more options without any extra clutter. As I say, I'm not an expert in this area of WP, but it does seem to me that if it is intended to list airports instead of cities, then the template ought to be changed to say "focus airports" rather than "focus cities". YBG (talk) 03:21, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Hubs
editCan someone change the hubs of RAM in CMN-ORY-RAK and TNG.
On their site you can install the program about flights where you will see the hubs are Casablanca Paris Marakkach and Tangier. And their crew are based on these cities as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.80.188.105 (talk) 19:16, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
RAM Fleet
editRAM Fleet shows an A320 Supposedly leased from White ? This is not the case. The carrier is currently not leasing an A320. If so please mention aircraft registration so this can be confirmed. Also RAM's B747 is not due for replacement in 2015, only a decision on replacement is expected for 2015. --Evergreen09 (talk) 12:44, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- It was the case at January 2015. The archive version of the article including the supporting reference can be found here [6].--Jetstreamer Talk 23:25, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- The last three edits made in a row [7] were reverted. There were no inline citations provided for the changes; occasional readers might/will not use the history section of each article to search for potential sources supporting unreferenced claims.--Jetstreamer Talk 19:14, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
I see someone added the ATR72-600's operated by subsidiary RAM Express (which has its own wiki page) however the carrier operates 5x ATR72-600 instead of 4. RAM Express took delivery of its 5th frame during Marrakech Airshow 2014 http://www.aeronautique.ma/Marrakech-Airshow-2014-Royal-Air-Maroc-Express-recoit-son-cinquieme-ATR-72-600_a3520.html --Evergreen09 (talk) 14:58, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I added that because the official webpage informs it. And there's no need to look for alternative referencing regarding fleet compositions unless those figures have errors or are outdated. It was agreed at WP:AIRLINE that the official information (if provided) is enough (with the aforementioned considerations).--Jetstreamer Talk 15:14, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
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Head office?
editAround 2015 the company still stated its head office was at Anfa Airport: https://www.royalairmaroc.com/corporate/content/download/95344/703615/file/R%C3%A8glement+des+achats.pdf
Supposedly the airport was demolished, but I only find pages referencing "SIEGE SOCIAL-CASA.ANFA" - As in Anfa Airport as the HQ https://www.royalairmaroc.com/corporate/E-Sourcing/Contact
Boeing 747-400
editPlanespotters.net is showing one 747-400 as active. Does anyone know if this is correct, and if so should it be added to the fleet list? 2601:640:C002:9300:20DF:878C:AABC:6D31 (talk) 23:01, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Planespotters is not reliable.--Jetstreamer Talk 17:20, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- The aircraft is used for VIP transport.--2601:640:C002:9300:182F:FC2D:7A02:9A85 (talk) 18:38, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
- Since it's used for VIP transport should it be included on the fleet list?--73.189.56.197 (talk) 14:55, 27 December 2019 (UTC)