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Does anyone know about Ron Wyden's Oil Investigations? I would like to see them included in this article. —This unsigned comment was added by Hastalavictoria (talk • contribs) .

This article, especially the just-modified section on estate taxes, needs more sourcing. -- Gnetwerker 02:33, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Reverted POV edit, repeated posting. "contributor" seems to think that "millionaire heiress" is more informative then "ower of the Strand Bookstore in New York" If the effort is to show that the businesswomen in question is wealthy, the informative statement that she is the owner of a well known (with it's own wiki page) New York institution should be sufficient. If the intent is to demonstrate a family connection, "third generation owner" would again be more informative and less POV. -- HBergeron 7:30 8 June 2006 (sorry don't want to log on from a multi-user terminal

Most of this piece reads like POV campaign literature with subjective statements positively characterizing Wyden's politics. If POV about politics is considered appropriate, then there would be a legitimate place for information about this given Wyden's professed claims to be pro-labor: "Struggle at the Strand", http://www.nypress.com/article-18225-struggle-at-the-strand.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthincheck (talk • contribs) 15:57, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Picture

That picture is terrible. It makes him look like he's made out of clay. --Liface 18:31, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

• Agreed, that picture is terrible, both have their eyes almost closed. Somebody provide a better shot or take an official one, please. 100percentColombian (talk) 01:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

removed political screed

Opposition

Blair Bobier is a Pacific Green Party member not a Libertarian. He was a founding member of the Pacific Party who later changed its name to reflect their joining of the national Green Party.

mailing addresses

Hi I am trying to find the mailing address for Senator Wyden and Senator Smith can anyone point me to the right place. Thank you Edie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.19.44.136 (talk) 11:01, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

• < http://wyden.senate.gov >;
• < http://senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm >;
• < http://senate.gov >;
• < http://house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml >;
• < http://house.gov >.

hopiakuta Please do sign your communiqué .~~Thank You, DonFphrnqTaub Persina. 09:30, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Ronald_Lee_Wyden Palo_Alto_High_School Greenwich_Village

The article drops in Palo_Alto, w/o explaining that odd chronology; Wichita, then Palo? How do they manage a business in Greenwich? Well, that could be even more difficult if it were the one in London.

hopiakuta Please do sign your communiqué .~~Thank You, DonFphrnqTaub Persina. 09:30, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Ambiguity

Without much suggestion on how to fix it, it seems there is a lot of ambiguity in the article. For instance, "The senator has recently voted against restrictions on travel and trade with Cuba and also to end anti-Castro broadcasting to the country" leaves me wondering whether he voted in favor of or against ending anti-Castro broadcasting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jandjorgensen (talk • contribs) 18:49, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Removal of sourced material

I recently added a sentence indicating that Wyden will chair the Energy committee starting in 2013, but it was removed with the following edit summary: "…wikipedia should not be used to predict low-level political appointments."

This is not mere prediction or speculation, but (according to the source) the outcome delineated by Senate rules. In other words, Wikipedia is not doing the predicting, but reporting the analysis of a reliable source. While "low level" is a matter of perspective, the way it is treated by the source indicates significance. The Statesman Journal, the political paper of record for Sen. Wyden's state, devotes an entire article to the issue, attaching significance in terms of the political clout of the entire state's delegation. Ascending to the chairmanship of a committee as significant as the Energy committee is a significant step in any senator's career, and this point should be noted in the article. -Pete (talk) 05:16, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I understand that this was no shot in the dark, and perhaps "predict" was not the best choice of words, but I stand by its removal. Chairing and Ranking Members are chosen by the party leaders before each new session of Congress, so even if he may be next in line, it is still up in the air. I am certain if he becomes Chairman, it will be a significant step in his career, but for right now, I believe it is still too early to be notable in the article. That is just my opinion, I invite others to give their perspectives. Grammarxxx ^{(What'd I do this time?)} 05:30, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Looks like Reid will make the announcement tomorrow, so maybe it'll be a moot point then. Let's just check back then. -Pete (talk) 07:33, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

UPDATE -- I don't see any news about Harry Reid's expected announcement. However, I do see other sources indicating without fanfare or hint of controversy that Wyden is expected to take the seat. One in particular is another story published in the Statesman Journal, but originating from the Gannett Company: [1] I find this one significant because Gannett is a nationally syndicated service (publisher of USA Today), and because of the forthrightness: "…when Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., becomes chairman…" -- it says "when," not "if." I grant that technically, Reid seems to have the ability to make his own choice, but when a source of this stature considers it a foregone conclusion, it seems to me worthy of inclusion here. (If Reid were to pick somebody else, this source would remain relevant, as it would undoubtedly become a story why Reid passed over Wyden.)

For comparison, Mitt Romney wasn't the Republican nominee for President until the end of the Republican National Convention, but basically every news story about him for months beforehand (and the corresponding Wikipedia articles) stated that he was the anticipated nominee. Just as that was an important fact for readers interested in Mitt Romney, it is important to readers interested in Ron Wyden to know that he is expected to be the next chairman of the Energy committee. It gives context to news coverage of his statements about energy policy, for instance. -Pete (talk) 02:54, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Typically the committee chairmanships are not "official" for a few more weeks, but it's a safe bet Wyden will get it. He's referred to pretty regularly as the "incoming" chair. I'd say it's fine to add it, but there's no hurry either. --Esprqii (talk) 00:39, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

I just feel that adding a "He is expected to become Chairman of such and such" makes WP too much like a newspaper; unless it's already happened, or there's definitive proof, I don't feel it should be added. Grammarxxx ^{(What'd I do this time?)} 01:42, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

There is indeed a provable fact -- that he is "next in line." There's a separate fact -- whether he actually becomes the next chairman -- that we can't know until it happens. (Among other things, he could die or resign first!) The fact I'm suggesting we include is not an ironclad prediction about the future, but rather a reporting of the apparently unanimous and uncontroversial point that he is expected to be the next chairman. (A couple more sources asserting dispassionately that he is the "incoming chairman": [2] [3]) If there were disagreement about whether he would be the next chairman, we would need to discuss competing views too; but as far as I can tell, there is nobody predicting otherwise.

Let me take a step back for a sec, though. I think part of why we are in disagreement here is due to a larger problem with the section. The section has a problem that many senator bios have: it's merely a bullet list, without any narrative. That's not the way a Wikipedia article is supposed to read. A bullet list might accompany, summarize, or supplement the narrative, but a section like this is not supposed to consist of a list and nothing more. (I am pretty sure I was one of the first people who started including lists of committees on senators' pages back in 2006 or so, and I certainly never intended that a bare list would become the norm.) So, in the absence of a broader narrative, I can see how it seems a bit odd to have this fact stated more or less alone in an introductory sentence. In my view, stating it by itself is an improvement over not having it at all (since this position is likely to be a significant piece of Wyden's career, either because it comes to pass or -- if something weird happens -- because something so wired in doesn't come to pass). But overall, I would like to see an narrative added to the article which discusses what committees he has been part of during what terms, whether he has done substantial work in any of the committees, etc. That would need to happen, for instance, before this article would be ready for good article or featured article status. -Pete (talk) 02:25, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Note, I think this Oregonian editorial illustrates why it's useful to have this point noted in the Wikipedia article. To a reader who knows the background, the Oregonian's piece proceeds from the premise that Wyden is the presumed energy committee chair. But (sloppily, I'd say) the O doesn't state it directly. It's not hard to imagine an Oregonian reader turning to Wikipedia for context; we should meet that need. -Pete (talk) 16:56, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

New source on NSA surveillance

Excellent, informative article:

• Fahrenthold, David A. (July 28, 2013). "With NSA revelations, Sen. Ron Wyden's vague warnings about privacy finally become clear". The Washington Post. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

--Dr. Fleischman (talk) 05:32, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much. This source helps us to understand the riot running of the NSA above the basis of the "Patriot Act". --188.195.182.93 (talk) 21:42, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to WikiProject Mass surveillance

WikiProject Mass Surveillance Dear, Ron Wyden. We would like to invite you to join WikiProject Mass surveillance, a group of Wikipedians devoted to improving articles related to the privacy and global surveillance. If you're interested, consider adding yourself to the list of participants and joining the discussion on the talkpage. -- An invitation to all here-- please come and improve articles mass surveillance. HectorMoffet (talk) 19:25, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Ratings

Wyden has been a senator from Oregon for nearly 20 years, and was a U.S. Representative for 15 years before that. His article should be at least Mid-importance, if not High-importance. MB298 (talk) 03:51, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. The project importance guideline says a senator should be high and, if served in a leadership position, top. I changed the WP:ORE rating to high. —EncMstr (talk) 05:04, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

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