Talk:Romania/GA7

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hurricanehink (talk · contribs) 22:22, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

A country article! I haven't reviewed a country article yet. Alright, and away we go!

• " It borders on the Black Sea to the southeast, and with Bulgaria to the south, Ukraine to the north, Hungary to the west, Serbia to the southwest, and Moldova to the east." - I'm sorry to be picky, but would it really border a large sea? I'd say it's "located on the Black Sea", but it borders the rest of the countries, at least in my sense of the term "border"
• The bit about climate in the first paragraph of the lead feels like it would go better in the second, when you mention the geography more
• "Following World War I, after declaring its neutrality in 1914, when Romania fought on the side of the Allied powers beginning in 1916, Bukovina, Bessarabia, Transylvania as well as parts of Banat, Crișana, and Maramureș became part of the sovereign Kingdom of Romania." - this should be two sentences - one about WW1, and then the aftermath in 1916
• "It has the world's 47th largest economy by nominal GDP and an annual economic growth rate of 7% (2017), the highest in the EU at the time." - are there any 2018 or 2019 estimates?
• "The name has been in use officially since 11 December 1861." - why that year? Who made it official? Also, the part later in "Official names" says 1862 was when the name Romania became used. Later you say "The united principalities officially adopted the name Romania on 21 February 1862."
• You switch between using "6th millennium BC" to " 6050 and 5900 BC". I suggest using the same year format
• "but the Roman army annihilated his troops in 106 AD." - feels dramatic. Did every troop really die?
• "According to scholars who accept the Daco-Roman continuity theory, the Romanians' ancestors, known by the exonym Vlachs in the Middle Ages, lived in densely forested areas, separated from the Goths, Huns, Gepids and Avars during these centuries." - what was the basis of such forest dwellings? That part sounds like Legend of Zelda shit, living amongst the forest.
• "Place names of Slavic origin abound in Romania" - I think you're missing a verb

• The grammar is off. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:26, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

•  Done? Editoneer (talk) 20:19, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

• There is far too much history, considering how many history articles there are. I just feel some of the medieval history is a bit lengthy. Specifically:

• "Centuries later, the Gesta Hungarorum wrote of the invading Magyars' wars against three dukes—Glad, Menumorut and the Vlach Gelou—for Banat, Crișana and Transylvania.[70][71] The Gesta also listed many peoples—Slavs, Bulgarians, Vlachs, Khazars, and Székelys—inhabiting the same regions.[72][73] The reliability of the Gesta is debated. Some scholars regard it as a basically accurate account, others describe it as a literary work filled with invented details."

• Have you considered trimming any of the history section? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk

) 15:26, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but I feel that is still needed and I don't know what articles are there, I will need help here. Editoneer (talk) 20:19, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

• "Roman Catholic bishoprics" - is this the same as a bishop? If so, I think that term is a bit better known
• "But most Wallachian and Moldavian princes paid a regular tribute to the Ottoman sultans from 1417 and 1456, respectively." - don't start a sentence with "but"
• "Reformation spread and four denominations—Calvinism, Lutheranism, Unitarianism, and Roman Catholicism{—were officially acknowledged in 1568" - that's a mistaken {
• "about 132,000 (mainly Hungarian-speaking) Jews" - I feel like Hungarian speaking should go after Jews

• I think the sentence is worse now. I suggest using a dash, like: "After the German occupation of Hungary in March 1944, about 132,000 Jews – mainly Hungarian-speaking – were deported to extermination camps from Northern Transylvania with the Hungarian authorities' support."

•  Done, thanks. Editoneer (talk) 20:19, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

• "In 1947 he and others forced King Michael I to abdicate" - I'd add the month (and a comma after 1947), since you mentioned Feb 1947 in the previous section
• "of which almost 50% voted for Iohannis" - do you mean Johannis? (you said "Klaus Johannis " before)

• The article is still inconsistent whether it's Iohannis/Johanis. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:26, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

•  Done, replaced with "Iohannis". Editoneer (talk) 08:37, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

• I feel like the "Contemporary period" and "NATO and EU integration" sections should be merged, since there's a bit of jumping around with the dates. Editoneer (talk) 20:19, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
• Parts of "Geography and climate" are unsourced
• "There are almost 10,000 km2 (3,900 sq mi) (about 5% of the total area) of protected areas in Romania covering 13 national parks and three biosphere reserves" - are there links to a list of these national parks, by chance?

• No wikilinks for this? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:26, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

•  Done. Editoneer (talk) 20:19, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

• " Some 3,700 plant species have been identified in the country, from which to date 23 have been declared natural monuments, 74 missing, 39 endangered, 171 vulnerable, and 1,253 rare." - missing?
• "Romania's 2007 entry into the EU has been a significant influence on its domestic policy, and including judicial reforms, increased judicial cooperation with other member states, and measures to combat corruption. " - source?
• "Past, recent governments have stated that one of their goals is to strengthen ties" - did you mean to add an "and" instead of a comma?

• That's still a little unclear. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:26, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

•  Done, oof. Editoneer (talk) 20:19, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

• "Because it has a large Hungarian minority, Romania has also developed strong relations with Hungary. " - source?
• "As of August 2019, its acceptance into the Schengen Area is hampered because the European Council has misgivings about Romania's adherence to the rule of law,[256] a fundamental principle of EU membership." - any update as of 2020 by chance?

• Any update? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:26, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

•  Not done, I can't find any updates about this subject. Editoneer (talk) 08:37, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

• "The Air Force currently operates modernised Soviet MiG-21 Lancer fighters, which are due to be replaced by twelve recently purchased F-16s." - when? This source was accessed in 2016, so it's not exactly recent

• So the F-16s aren't happening? I saw you remove that part. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:26, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

I didn't saw any news about it, so I considered deleted it. You can't suggest something that you can't prove. Editoneer (talk) 20:19, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

• "In 2019, Romania has a GDP (PPP) of around $547 billion and a GDP per capita (PPP) of $28,189" - as of 2020?
• A lot of the "Economy" section feels outdated
• First paragraph of "Science and technology" is unsourced
• Ditto first paragraph of "Languages"
• Ditto 2nd paragraph of "Arts and monuments"
• Ditto last paragraph of "Sports"

So the article has a lot of issues. But I see it's on its 7th GAN, so I won't fail it yet. I stopped a thorough review as of the "Economy" section, so if you get to my issues, I can continue, but there are a lot of issues to address first. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:22, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Greetings! Awwwww even the guild didn't detected those "bugs", but anyways thank you but I want to know if you have finished the review? Editoneer (talk) 14:23, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

I stopped an extensive review by the time I got to "Economy", because I noticed a lot of issues (namely sourcing), and since it's on its 7th GA review, I wanted to wait til these issues were addressed before I continue with a thorough review. Hope that's alright! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:53, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

I suggest you can continue your review, not below the last reader's comment but in continue where the review last off, it's not like there will be any problems with the way you are resuming the review. Also I'm pretty sure that everyone's mentality is: I shouldn't comment maybe he has something to say that might result in an edit conflict or it will be swept above the other half of the review. or something like that where users wait for you to finish what you started. Editoneer (talk) 18:37, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't foresee there being any conflicts. In fact, I'd rather wait to continue reviewing in case any of the content changes, considering how much is unsourced, and how much is out of date. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:54, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to call the Guild of Copyeditors again as I'm afraid of doing something wrong. Editoneer (talk) 09:27, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

It seems that it will take a while until they review this article again... should I do all of those myself? If yes, let me know if another grammar mistake arises because I tried to correct the past mistake or do you want to delay the article review until they have perfect time to check the article thoroughly again?. Editoneer (talk) 09:33, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Sure, I'll check your edits. However, most of the problems aren't in the grammar, it's sourcing, which the GoC won't be able to help with. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:14, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Also, there weren't many grammar errors in the article. It's an issue of there being not enough sources, or some other minor issues. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:13, 9 April 2020

Well, my request is premature so they can't do it, I'll just start around this time. Editoneer (talk) 08:46, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Alright, I did everything on the list please continue and you can tell us if new mistakes appeared or citations are a problem. Editoneer (talk) 08:22, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

• I see three tags for citations needed in "Languages"

 Not done Done Done, Oh come on, I consider that the Istro-Romanian and many similar language are common sense. Anyways is Parolando reliable? Editoneer (talk) 17:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

• Last sentence of "Religion" is unsourced

 Done, I couldn't find anything to convene that phrase so I deleted it, not even typing in Romanian helped me. Editoneer (talk) 17:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

• "Romanian kids love basketball almost as much as they love association football.[465] Gheorge Muresan has been the most prominent basketball player as he gained popularity off the court as well as on the court. Yet, the Romanian national basketball team has had only modest success. " - the first sentence seems unencyclopediac. The second sentence is unsourced

 Done Done, Editoneer (talk) 17:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

• "GDP has been growing by over 2% each year since." - the source is as of 2014. Is that still the case?

 Done, not really the case now, Johannis did something it seems. Editoneer (talk) 17:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

• "Romania still had one of the lowest net average monthly wages in the EU of €540 in 2016,[286] and an inflation rate of −1.1% in 2016." - update?

 Done, just check in case I wrote it wrong. Editoneer (talk) 17:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

• "Industrial output growth reached 6.5% year-on-year in February 2013, the highest in the EU-27." - why "EU-27" here?

 Done, changed to "Europe". Editoneer (talk) 17:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

• " Exports have increased substantially in the past few years, with a 13% annual rise in exports in 2010. " - any way to make this more timely?

•  Done, yes... but I couldn't add the reference because tradeconomics.com is blocked. Editoneer (talk) 08:40, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

• "The account balance in 2012 was estimated to be −4.52% of GDP" - how can it be a negative percentage of the GDP?

•  Done, Based on the sign, it wasn't a minus sign, it was the dash used for pause, but anyways, I removed it.

• "Romania's FDI outward stock amounted to $745 million in December 2018, the lowest value among the 28 EU member states." - maybe I don't know what "outward stock" is, but this sentence is confusing following the previous one

•  Done, I explained it in branckets. Editoneer (talk) 08:37, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

• "Since 1867 the official currency has been the Romanian leu ("lion") and following a denomination in 2005, it has been valued at €0.2–0.3." - this isn't backed up by the source at the end of this paragraph

•  Done, Deleted the value at euro0.2-0.3 and added reference to one before that. Editoneer (talk) 08:37, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

• "In January 2020, Romania's external debt was reported to be US $122 billion according to CEIC data." - most of the article refers to the Euro as the currency, so why the switch here?
• "According to the Romania's National Institute of Statistics (INSSE), her total road network" - I'm not sure the poetic "her" is correct here

 Done, In Romanian, "Romania" is at the feminine gender, I presume is a translation error. Editoneer (talk) 17:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

• "Romania's rail transport experienced a dramatic decline after 1989 and was estimated at 99 million passenger journeys in 2004; but has experienced a recent (2013) revival due to infrastructure improvements and partial privatisation of lines,[249] accounting for 45% of all passenger and freight movements in the country." - semicolon should be a comma

 Done. Editoneer (talk) 17:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

• "Bucharest Metro, the only underground railway system, was opened in 1979 and measures 61.41 km (38.16 mi) with an average ridership in 2007 of 600,000 passengers during the workweek" - add "in the country" somewhere. Also, any more recent estimate than 2007?
• "There were almost 18.3 million connections to the Internet in June 2014.[311] According to Bloomberg, in 2013 Romania ranked fifth in the world, and according to The Independent, it ranks number one in Europe at Internet speeds,[312][313] with Timișoara ranked among the highest in the world." - again, any more recent estimates?
• "Romania was estimated to have the fourth-fastest-growing travel and tourism total demand in the world, with an estimated potential growth of 8% per year from 2007 to 2016" - the growth potential doesn't matter much since we're already after 2016
• "as well as well preserved medieval Transylvanian cities " - I had to read the first four words a few times to get the meaning. I suggest rewording

 Done, very well very well. Editoneer (talk) 17:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

• "Hunedoara Castle is another famous structure. " source?

 Done, removed. Editoneer (talk) 17:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

• "In 2014, Romania had 32,500 companies active in the hotel and restaurant industry, with a total turnover of €2.6 billion" - I don't get the economic value of the "turnover". Is that profits?
• "More than 1.9 million foreign tourists visited Romania in 2014, 12% more than in 2013" - a few paragraphs earlier, you said there were 9.33 million foreign tourists in 2016. Could you reorganize the "Tourism" section? It feels a bit mish-mashed
• "During the 1990s and 2000s, the development of research was hampered by several factors, including corruption, low funding and a considerable brain drain" - are you doing the Oxford comma or not?

 Done, If you meant serial comma. Editoneer (talk) 17:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

• In January 2011, Parliament passed a law that enforces "strict quality control on universities and introduces tough rules for funding evaluation and peer review". - why the long quote? Was this the exact wording from the law? If not, could you summarize the quote so you don't need the attribution
• "The nuclear physics facility of the European Union's proposed Extreme Light Infrastructure (ELI) laser will be built in Romania." - update? As of 2019 it seems like Romania's involvement is shaky
• "with dioceses for Romanians living in nearby Serbia and Hungary, as well as diaspora communities in Central and Western Europe, North America, and Oceania. " - source?

•  Done, Deleted. Editoneer (talk) 15:32, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

• There seems to be one too many images in the "Demographics" section
• "In 2004, some 4.4 million individuals were enrolled in school. Of these, 650,000 were in kindergarten (three-six years), 3.11 million in primary and secondary level, and 650,000 in tertiary level (universities)." - update?
• " Brâncuși has a sculptural ensemble in Târgu Jiu, while his sculpture Bird in Space, was auctioned in 2005 for $27.5 million." - again you use a dollar figure, but most of the article uses Euro
• "During Easter, painted eggs are very common, while on 1 March features mărțișor gifting, a tradition likely of Thracian origin." - odd grammar

•  Done? Editoneer (talk) 17:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

• You should write out the UEFA acronym on its first usage

 Not done, I really believe I need the exact quote to track it. Editoneer (talk) 17:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

• "The Romanian national team also reached the quarterfinals of the UEFA European Championship three times. Romania's home ground is the Arena Națională in Bucharest." - source?

•  Done, Deleted. Editoneer (talk) 15:32, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

• "Romania participated in the Olympic Games for the first time in 1900 and has taken part in 21 of the 28 summer games. It has been one of the more successful countries at the Summer Olympic Games, with a total of 307 medals won throughout the years, of which 89 were gold, ranking 15th overall, and second of the nations that have never hosted the games. Romanians participated at the 1984 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles and finished second in gold medals (20) and third in total medal count (53). " - source?

•  Done, Deleted. Editoneer (talk) 15:32, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

So again, the main problem with the article is sourcing and some parts seeming out of date. This completes my review of the prose of the article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:26, 15 April 2020 (UTC)