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Earliest attendance map

Here is the earliest attendance map I've seen for this school: http://web.archive.org/web/20020312080016/http://dept.houstonisd.org/ab/images2/riveroak.jpg - Seems like the boundary hasn't changed since 1997 or so... WhisperToMe (talk) 16:54, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

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Motto nonsense

"The school's motto is 'Where discovery is elementary', demonstrating the claim that everything daily done at the school promotes learning (reflecting the fact that it teaches kindergarten to fifth grade)."

The motto is "Where discovery is elementary". This is a simple fact. No argument there.

The motto does not "demonstrat(e) the claim that everything daily done at the school promotes learning". (I don't see a claim that everything "daily done" promotes learning.) A motto does not "demonstrate" much of anything, other than something about the motto. I might demonstrate that the school likes to make puns or that the school wants to promote itself in a certain way, but it does not demonstrate anything about what the school does daily.

The motto does not "reflect" that the school teaches K-5. You might feel the use of the "elementary" pun has to do with the school covering K-5 and, in that sense it might reflect the school's particular belief that "elementary school" is exclusively K to 5.

TL;DR: The motto is what the motto is. Your interpretations of it are your original research and don't belong here. - SummerPhD^v2.0 16:42, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

It's a "magnet school" AND a "neighborhood school"

I'm removing the "neighborhood school" claim as unsourced as it is incompatible with the source "magnet school" claim.

A neighborhood school (in normal usage) refers to a school that takes all students from a neighborhood. If you live in Podunkville Square and are -- as a simple result of where you live -- assigned to Podunkville Square Elementary, that is your neighborhood school.

If, OTOH, your school district has a school which draws students from various areas based on particular criteria (high math scores, performing arts talent, ability to ram your head into a wall and keep running), this would be a magnet school. Students from across Podunkville -- normally assigned to Podunk Square, East Podunk, West Podunk or Podunk Slums elementary schools -- might end up in one of the magnet schools (Math Magnet, Performing Arts Magnet or Football Magnet). - SummerPhD^v2.0 16:51, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

• @SummerPhDv2.0: HISD has published the official attendance boundary of River Oaks Elementary. River Oaks Elementary does function as the neighborhood elementary school of the River Oaks neighborhood. It also functions as a magnet school at the same time. In fact there is an entire paragraph cited to Houston Chronicle articles about the political controversy over restoring said attendance boundary. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:24, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Vanguard school

Maps linked in the lede supposedly supported this being a "Vanguard school". The maps said nothing about "Vanguard". Later on, the article again drops the "Vanguard" label -- it has the "'most popular' Vanguard program" in the district. How exciting! Maybe. If the term means anything to you.

What is this super-secret program? It's "the Houston Independent School District's magnet-school program for the gifted." The source lists two "Vanguard" schools and this one apparently has more applications or more applications per spot (the article isn't clear) than the other one. This would be "more" popular. (Superlatives are generally used in groups of three or more.) This doesn't seem to be particularly relevant as it's merely a passing mention in one source. Of two of anything, one will be taller, greener, sweeter, cheaper, faster, uglier, etc. than the other.

Yes, it's "more popular". This is the lede section of the article. meant to summarize the article's body. This kind of peacockery drop-in does not belong in the article, let alone the lede. - SummerPhD^v2.0 17:05, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

@SummerPhDv2.0: I found this list of magnet schools from 2001 (the date of the article) and it states that there were a total of eleven Vanguard elementary schools in Houston ISD that year. The 2001 article mentioned two of them.

As for peacockery, The key descriptor of peacockery on Wikipedia is using these words without attribution and/or without facts. When I wrote the sentence I attributed the description to a specific journalist from a specific article written in 2001, and in my view that alleviated concerns about peacockery. As for whether it had more applications than the others in 2001, I consulted the 2001 article and it does not say such explicitly. The author, Lisa Gray, now works for another publication, and it would be interesting how she would clarify what she meant by popular, but I don't think the Houston Press is going to amend the article to clarify as it's taken old articles offline sadly :(

WhisperToMe (talk) 15:16, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Newspaper and magazine articles

I was looking for some copies of some of the newspaper articles that a previous page of the ROE Alumni site had published. Thankfully I found them again, listed at http://riveroaksalumni.org/history/

• "Landscaping Plan for River Oaks School". Houston Post-Dispatch. 1929-12-01.
• Our School. 1937. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)
• Ewing, Betty (1976-11-29). "River Oaks grads, you can relive those good old days". Houston Chronicle. p. Section 2. (does not have the whole article)

Since some of the parameters are missing, I would ask the alumni site owner if they know further details about page numbers and exact dates. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:37, 31 May 2022 (UTC)