Talk:Rittenhouse Elementary School

Specific To Do

Anyone working on this, please add to this list and sign, and strike out when done and sign. Don't chat here please...make new section. Thanks. :) Revent (talk) 04:18, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

• Second opinion on the external link descriptions. Mine probably suck. Revent (talk) 04:24, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
• More images!!!!!! Not tons, but some....
• Double check exact quotes from NRHP Nom. Revent (talk) 05:09, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
• Double check and elaborate cites as needed. Some of the NHRP nom stuff comes from other sources. Revent (talk) 17:52, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

• Editing

• Major copy edit Revent (talk) 05:33, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

• 'Technical'

• Work on refs. Revent (talk) 07:01, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
• Populate See also. Revent (talk) 04:32, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
• Populate and format infobox. Revent (talk) 04:32, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
• A tweak (I don't know how) to get the map and photo same width would be nice. Revent (talk) 04:28, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

• Final copyedit! Revent (talk) 04:18, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
• Request re-assessment, etc. Revent (talk) 04:18, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Discussion

I will go over this list when I have time. I apologize that my time is limited right now, but thank you, Revent, for the effort you've made here. My concern is to be sure that any content which consists of quotes from public domain sources is in quotes and properly credited and referenced. Otherwise, we have some issues to deal with. If this is truly original content, then all is OK. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:56, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I did notice while looking at the NRHP Nom digging out the author before....who? in edit log...started templating all the refs to it. There was similar text, but it was stuff like meausrements was my opinion. I didn't /compare/ it....but damn, she has like 12 cites to it. We need to double check, and I'll note that, but I don't think it's a problem other than maybe the PD info thingy. Revent (talk) 05:09, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, not technically 'original content', that would be OR. But all /sourced/ content, with unique and varied enough sourcing and organization to not be plagarism. You know what I mean, and properly acknowledging it. Revent (talk) 05:16, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to knock off in a bit, read or something, maybe fix some bios later. Re 'phrasing' or sourcing concerns. The NHRP 'application' is a tertiary source, basically like an encyclopedia entry, with the 'peer review' being a bunch of bureaucrats. It has a extensive bibliography. :) And it's PD anyhow, it's on a government form filed with the govt. We just can't plagarize it. You don't have copyright on your filled out tax return, lol. I know how to address it, as far as cites.Revent (talk) 07:20, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

After carefully reading the exact phrasing of the NPS disclaimer, I've marked only the actual form itself (not the enclosures) as PD. The way the disclaimer is written is kinda convoluted. Revent (talk) 18:03, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Graduate school assignment

As stated here, "Making this article (specifically, doing all the text) is part of a graduate school assignment". Wikipedia:School and university projects applies. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:24, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

User:Gagegs is the editor who actually has the assignment. She will (I believe, from what she said) be back online tomorrow. Revent (talk) 10:04, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

<the following is a (condensed for brevity) quote from my talk page, from out of a lot of talk about this page Revent (talk) 05:05, 3 May 2013 (UTC)>

Thanks for the kind words about my writing. I usually write much better, but this is an end of the semester project (first year grad school...history), and I had little time to work on it during the semester. I look forward to helping it progress, and now that my semester is almost done (11:59 Nebraska time, 9:59 Arizona (my) time tonight), I'll have more time to perfect my so very limited Wikipedia skills and address your editing concerns.

I was at the Rittenhouse School/San Tan Museum yesterday, and I found out that there are two books coming out this summer about Queen Creek. I am excited to read them and see what other information they can provide about the school. This could potentially be my thesis project, so it's been fun to watch this article come to fruition. It needs a lot of work though...there's so much more I could put into it, but I am running out of time. Something to look forward to in the coming weeks.

Anyway, I have to run away for awhile (time to walk the dogs and pack lunch and gear for tomorrow's expedition). If I don't talk to you again tonight, I'll be back online tomorrow evening (assuming I survive the 100 degree heat and 30 mph winds expected at the project area).

Thanks again! Gina gagegsGagegs (talk) 8:45 pm, 29 April 2013, last Monday (3 days ago) (UTC−5)

Hopefully she'll be back online soon. Probably work. Revent (talk) 05:05, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Citation Issues

Cites to the NHRS nomination

After taking a break, sleep, working on other pages, etc. I think how this is done needs rethought. There are actually several different documents enclosed in that PDF. The first page, the actual nomination form, is the source of which criteria the school was approved under. What is cited as sections 7 and 8 are actually separate documents, written by other people and attributed on the form, that were filed as enclosures in the filing. They need to be cited separately, and doing so will get rid of the whole (section, page) issue. Thoughts? Revent (talk) 13:44, 1 May 2013 (UTC) I've redone this, per WP:LDR for readability of the code, and with a 'grouped' set of citations to the separate works inside the actual published PDF. My 'annotations' probably need rewriting. Revent (talk) 04:21, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Also, the sources need traced as much as possible, as the enclosures are third-party, and have EXTENSIVE bibliographies. As much as possible needs to be sourced to those, instead of the actual enclosures. Revent (talk) 18:52, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Cite to the NRIS

I don't like the way the NRISref template does this.

This is only used for the reference number, and the link points to the search page, not the actual page that gives the data. This is an issue with the template, though, not something to fix here. Revent (talk) 14:37, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Also, the date it generates is inconsistent with the rest of the article. YYYY-MM-DD Revent (talk) 18:52, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

What I am doing right now (please read)

I'm continuing to watch this, and will be making occasional changes as they occur to me. Since Gags is 'overdue' at this point (end of semester), a watcher rewriting my 'contributer notes' in the template at the top of the article would be good, though I don't really know how to phrase it in a 'more appropriate' manner ATM. I'm not expecting to do anything that needs me to lock the article (like when I was formatting the citations and tracking down the 'original' text to verify they were all to the correct location).

Though it's not 'urgent' at this point, I'm intending to dig the bibliography out of the nomination, 'preformat' citations to those sources, and put it up on the Talk here. Hopefully I'll get this done before major attempts to expand the article, as I think it would be a great help to the 'writer-type' editors. :)

Revent (talk) 04:17, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Miscellany

I've edited the tables on the relevant 'list articles' (look at the navbox) to include the image from the infobox, and a brief description. Feedback on if the outside picture would look better in that context, please. Also, added to the Rittenhouse disambiguation list. I'd assumed that typing 'rittenhouse' in the search box would come here. Who would have thunk it? :) Feedback on my phrasing there would also be nice. Revent (talk) 05:12, 3 May 2013 (UTC)