Talk:Renée Zellweger/Archive 1

Actor not actress

In keeping with avoiding sexist language wherever possible, i any reference to renee as an actress to an actor. It is taken for granted that she is female, and while actor is the normative, supposedly generic term, actress seems to suggest that she is a deviation to this norm. i urge everyone to assist in making these changes wherever possible and maintaining their edits to this regard.

additionally, terms such as 'comedienne', 'murderess' and 'chairman' should be changed to their gender neutral equivilants wherever possible, sensical and relevant. Character234 04:57, 21 January 2007 Character234 05:02, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, for Christ's sake, take your Newspeak and shove it.

I'd like to add that the word ‘chairman’ is not sexiest in that the 'man' part comes from the Latin word 'manus' meaning hand, and by changing it to 'chairwoman' you are making up a meaningless word with absolutely no etymological meaning and giving a gender neutral word a sexiest implication. Good job.

I heartily agree with the sentiment: take Newspeak and shove it!

In lots of words, the "man" in it comes from German and means "human being":

human, chairman, draftsman, fireman, junkman, mailman, manhole, policeman, watchman, etc.

The following are also perfectly-acceptable words denoting one of the female gender, and they always will be: actress, countess, duchess, huntress, lioness, postmistress, seamstress, songstress, and waitress.

Give Me A Break

Out of respect for Zellweger, my guess (and I'll bet it's a good one) is that she would like to be called an Actress and not an Actor.

Although Zellweger probably is in favor of womens rights, I doubt that she is a raving radical and I would wager further that she also has a traditional streak. Having said that-- can we get back to discussing her incredible acting and her bio? I thought that was the real point of this article.

128.138.173.228 (talk) 06:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what the logical purpose of calling an actress an "actor" is, or who could possibly want to do that. We should also get rid of such offensive terms as "sister", "wife", "girlfriend" (not to mention "girl", "woman" and "female"). All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 19:56, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Picture

Screw that sketch pic. Get a real one. —83.71.47.244 (talk) 21:08, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I have to say, she is HAWT. I would like to see that fine body nude. -212.251.164.224 (talk) 20:15, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Retrofit topic year headers

19-Oct-2008: I have added subheaders above as "Topics from 2007" (etc.) to emphasize the dates of topics in the talk-page. Older topics might still apply, but using the year headers helps to focus on more current issues as well. Afterward, I dated/named the unsigned comments. -Wikid77 (talk) 13:10, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Webpage sources were italicized not quoted

19-Oct-2008: I have begun changing the article footnotes to put quotemarks on webpage titles, rather than using italics (which are typically used for book or film titles, while magazine-article or webpage titles should be in quotation marks). In early October 2008, all the webpage titles had been italicized. -Wikid77 (talk) 13:10, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Shortened table by double-bars

19-Oct-2008: I have shortened the film-table by joining text with double-bars ("||") to have fewer lines in the coding. In a wikitable, a row's columns can be specified by either a lead-bar (at the start of a text line) or by double-bars. A leading exclamation point ("!") causes the text on that line to be bold-font. See examples at HELP:Table. -Wikid77 (talk) 13:10, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Monsters vs. Aliens

I thought Reese Witherspoon was doing the voice of Susan Murphy, not Zellweger.68.82.44.212 (talk) 01:29, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Swiss Citizenship

I was reading the "Ratgeber für AuslandschweizerInnen" the other day, and under "Einige bekannte Auslandschweizer und Auslandschweizerinnen" she was listed. Does she still have the citizenship or has she lost it? If she still has it, then wouldn't she be considered Swiss-American? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.28.178.20 (talk) 19:58, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

The accent

WP:DIACRITICS (past edit, click forward for current state) currently states "follow the general usage in reliable sources that are written in the English language," irrespective of whether those sources are capable of even producing diacritics. Renee Zellweger is an actress and mainly appears in popular media which are reliable for films, but do not reproduce "foreign thingy" accents like é. Therefore according to current status of WP:DIACRITICS Renée Zellweger should have her "foreign thingy" removed and be given an "English name." Google Books shows

• 111,900 results for "Renee Zellweger" -renée
• 43,200 results for "Renée Zellweger" -renee

And the above is in Google Books, if we use all websites then:

• 4,260,000 results for "Renee Zellweger" -renée
• 1,380,000 results for "Renée Zellweger" -renee

Evidently Renée Zellweger should have her accent removed. This is the English wikipedia! In ictu oculi (talk) 06:40, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

BTW - The above was largely tongue in cheek, it was posted as an example to illustrate a conversation been had with another User about how to apply or not apply guidelines in the case of typographic variation. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:12, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Film preparation question.

This is purely out of curiosity: Zellweger purposefully gained weight for the first Bridget Jones film (20 pounds, according to this article). Tonight, I've watching Bridget Jones: The Edge of Reason on the "telly" and am struck by her weight this time around. She appears to be even heavier than she was in the first film although only "six weeks" had gone by in "movie time". Did she purposely gain all that and if so, why so much extra this time? It can't be healthy to gain and lose so much for film roles. Thanks, Wordreader (talk) 02:28, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

New photo please

The current photograph shown is not very nice at all! She is obviously tired, and the photo was taken in a moment when she makes a strained face. Someone have another please? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.247.143.245 (talk) 08:35, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

I think this is probably needed even more now since she looks like a completely different person. –Nahald (talk) 03:26, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

We don't unilaterally swap stable infobox photos, particularly when the move may be contentious. I've restored the higher-quality, 2010, full-face image that was there before someone substitute a poorer-quality, 2006, 3/4-face image. Please discuss major changes on the talk page before editing. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:28, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

I uploaded a higher quality of another image and cropped it, its not the best of images but its better than the current one where she looked 'doped'..maybe it can be interchanged? ..--Stemoc 12:49, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

I support replacing the picture. Either with the new "cropped" version mentioned by Stemoc or by the "old" 2006 3/4-face image. Saschaporsche (talk) 07:44, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

She has an odd expression in the cropped photo, which we're supposed to avoid. I'm not really seeing that she looks "doped" in the image caption "Zellweger at the Tribeca Film Festival in 2010," if that's the one you mean.--Tenebrae (talk) 23:12, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

nothing odd about her expression, just teary eyes due to the camera flash probably, happens to me too snd yeah, she looks doped, like a 'heroine addict' doped....probably sleepy or something, face too flustered or bad makeup..hard to tell..--Stemoc 13:20, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

(registered actor's description; 'Young Vic': Bristol / England)

> (registered actor's description; 'Young Vic': Bristol / England)

What does this mean? — goethean 18:08, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Appearance change

Plastic surgeon expert opinion on how Zellweger's appearance could have changed so much:

To plastic surgeons, her eyelids look like they contain less fat and the brows are "positioned differently," suggesting she may have had a blepharoplasty (an "upper-lid operation"). Or she may have had "fat pads under her lower lids" removed (an inner-eyelid blepharoplasty). Her jawline may have been "plumped with a cosmetic filler such as Juvéderm," or, more permanently, had "fat grafted onto the folds around the jaw." Though Zellweger's cheeks seem "more prominent," she does not appear to have had "fillers or implants into the cheekbones."

--Artaxerxes 18:04, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

This is nothing but speculation, and as such, inappropriate in an encyclopedia. The surgeon giving this opinion has no firsthand knowledge whatsoever as to whether she even had work done, let alone what kind. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:31, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Her appearance change has had considerable coverage in websites and news sources: US Weekly, Time, Daily Mail, NY Daily News, LA Times, Sydney Morning Herald. They discussed speculation about why she look so different in an appearance Oct 20 . We do not require an official statement from her plastic surgeon (if she has one) before we note that sources stated her appearance was different Oct 20 from her previous appearance. We can quote her saying that the appearance change is just "normal aging." Edison (talk) 17:28, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

We already say, "leading many in media to remark that she is hardly recognizable as the same person" and give several cites as examples. As you suggest, that's a notable fact. Speculation by outside parties isn't encyclopedic fact — it's just speculation and anyone can speculate anything. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:20, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

For the first time ever, I just heard about and saw her drastic facial change. Why am I so late to the matter? I don't watch television as much as I used to, and I don't visit celebrity sites much. Flyer22 (talk) 00:26, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

¶ It is my amateur opinion that RZ's plastic surgery in 2014 was complicated by her history. Her post-2014 face more closely resembles her Reality Bites (1994) & Jerry Maguire (1996) face than her Bridget Jones (2001) face did. Evidently after Jerry Maguire she got some sort of plastic surgery to give herself more of a little girl face, rather puffy, and achieved enormous success in which the public remembered her in her Bridget Jones baby-fat face. Her plastic surgery of 2014 seems (to my untrained eye) to mostly un-do the previously puffing and restore her natural facial contours. Regrettably this makes her face a lot less distinctive and, for most of the audience, hardly recognizable. I would have appreciated some comment on the plastic surgery and its significance. Sussmanbern (talk) 15:16, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

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POV check

I agree with 190.249.179.87's note in the article history from 11/6/16: There is an excessive amount of "critical praise" for her performances in this article, which makes me think a PR agent has been involved here. The descriptions of the plot of every movie are gratuitous and unnecessary, as are the obscure biographical details like the title of a paper she wrote in high school. I can see that some other users have tried to address this, but it needs a total overhaul.198.255.224.198 (talk) 04:55, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Could it be that you are that IP? In any case, while most of 190.249.179.87 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)'s edits were okay, some of them were not. And it's standard practice to briefly note the reception of films in the actor's article. If the reception is mostly positive, it's not a POV issue; it's simply a fact. I see no need for a drastic overhaul of the article. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 08:35, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

I agree Flyer. (Littleolive oil (talk) 03:22, 31 March 2017 (UTC))

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Sami descent?

Renée Zellweger is not of Sami descent. Her mother, Kjellfrid Irene Andreassen, was of Kven descent. The quoted source has the two groups (Sami and Kven) mixed. The Kvens in Finnmark, Norway were a group of people of Finnish descent that moved out to the coast from northern Sweden and northern Finland, while Sami have more in common with the Uralic people further east in northern Russia. The kven language is very different and only remotely related to the Sami language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.215.146.218 (talk) 18:07, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, your data on the Sámi and Kven are straight enough, but do you have any source stating that she's a Kven and not a Sámi (by descent?). Beacause if not, you're sorta just giving the rest of Wikipedia your word on it, here... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.191.218.83 (talk) 17:55, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Reference number 7. Besides Ekkerøy where her mother is from, is a small place. Some 30 people live there, none are sami. I know one of her mothers relatives quite well, and her family is most definately not sami. The source saying she is of sami descent (ref.5) is obiously quoting the other source (ref. 6). Her Kven descent can be traced back to a Finn named Paavo Hiltunen (Norwegian/Kven: Hildonen) born in 1675, dead 1744. This is according to his relatives in Suvannon kylä in Finland. He, and a few other Hildonens emigrated to Norway at some point, and the Hildonen family name is now huge in eastern Finnmark, Norway today. Have a look at this (perhaps it should be added as a source): http://www.valerius.org.uk/Renee%20Zellweger.htm#Slekten — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.215.146.218 (talk) 22:09, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

It would seem the numbering of the sources has changed because none of the sources ref5,ref6 or the one linked in the article ref10, are mentioning sami or kven anywhere. Removing the mention. 212.186.78.98 (talk) 11:49, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

languages

http://www.hollywood.com/celebrities/celebrities-who-speak-another-language-60204565/#/ms-20809/1 suggests she also speaks German, but not Norwegian or French. This could be so, but there is no real info about if she used any language other than English professionally. Be good to add that if she did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.249.7.24 (talk) 23:07, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

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No trace of Sámi ancestry

The references that have been added to support the claim, don't actually support it. The book Modern Finland states "The mother of U.S.-American actress Renée Zellweger is a Norwegian of Kven descent." on page 57. The article in Finnish paper Helsign Sanomat quotes the Daily Mail, who in turn quotes professor Edward Dutton who spoke to Mailonline where he suggested that she has had surgery to hide her ethnic roots. This professor also claims that Björk has inuit ancestry, which I can't find that Björk herself has ever claimed. The IMDB page of Renée Zellweggers mother describes her as "a Norwegian-born former nurse and midwife, of Norwegian, Kven (Finnish), and Swedish descent" I believe we need to find better sources for the Sámi ancestry claim, and will remove it until it is found. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frakkler (talk • contribs) 21:30, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

References

Wrong Photo

This photo is not showing the University of Texas at Austin but the LBJ Presidential Library instead. 2A01:C23:6105:7C00:2122:8DAD:48CF:C1D5 (talk) 05:30, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

"The Hamptons"

There is no such place as "the Hamptons" in Connecticut. There is "Hampton" and "East Hampton" but they are not adjoining. She owned property in Pomfret, CT. There are places called "the Hamptons" in MA and NY. 24.237.161.178 (talk) 08:21, 15 June 2022 (UTC)