Talk:Relations between Nazi Germany and the Arab world/Archive 3

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Footnote 303 is depreciated

I think it can remain (for now), does someone disagree? FortunateSons (talk) 21:26, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Hitler didn't make public statements of this sort

"In public and private, Adolf Hitler and Heinrich Himmler made complementary statements about Islam as a religion and a political ideology, describing it as a more disciplined, militaristic, political, and practical form of religion than Christianity, and commending what they perceived were Muhammad's skill in politics and military leadership."

According to the below source (which I found from Religious views of Adolf Hitler) Himmler made some public statements, but mostly indicating that Islam would be useful for emboldening the populace and encouraging soldiers to fight - not indicating personal admiration. The sort doesn't mention any public statements from Hitler. Neither Hitler nor Himmler are mentioned making any statements about "Muhammad's [ﷺ] skill in politics and military leadership".

I don't have enough edits to fix it myself. :)

https://web.archive.org/web/20191022055457/https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/fall-2014-the-great-wars/the-swastika-and-the-crescent/ Motorizedtrees (talk) 04:03, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

The citation for that sentence is "Hitler's apocalypse : Jews and the Nazi legacy" page 59. I checked the page, and the only thing it says is:

Hitler concluded: ‘Germany will always recruit her staunchest friends from among those people who are actively resistant to Jewish contagion. I am sure that the Japanese, the Chinese and the peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France, in spite of the fact that we are related by blood. It is a tragedy that France has consistently degenerated in the course of centuries and that her upper classes have been perverted by the Jews. France is now condemned to the pursuit of a Jewish policy.’

According to Albert Speer's memior "Inside the Third Reich", (page 96)

"Hitler had been much impressed by a scrap of history he had learned from a delegation of distinguished Arabs. When the Mohammedans attempted to penetrate beyond France into Central Europe during the eighth century, his visitors had told him, they had been driven back at the Battle of Tours. Had the Arabs won this battle, the world would be Mohammedan today. For theirs was a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and subjugating all nations to that faith. The Germanic peoples would have become heirs to that religion. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament. Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire.

Hitler usually concluded this historical speculation by remarking: “You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese ,who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?” It is remarkable that even before the war he sometimes went on: “Today the Siberians, the White Russians, and the people of the steppes live extremely healthy lives. For that reason they are better equipped for development and in the long run biologically superior to the Germans.” This was an idea he was destined to repeat in far more drastictones during the last months of the war."

I have Montadel's books on the subject, "Islam and Nazi's Germany War" but I couldn't find a direct statement from Hitler himself.

Should I change that sentence to:?

"Nazi Germany used Islamic propoganda in the Muslim world in to recuit Muslim collaboraters for the German army (insert citation of Jeffery Herf's Nazi Propaganda for the Arab World here). Hitler said crisized Christianity for not being militarist enough, as opposed to the Bushido and Islam." Drsmartypants(Smarty M.D) (talk) 15:03, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Here’s the Wall Street journal talking about the subject, i think other notable nazi officials made statements about Islam but I can’t remember

https://www.wsj.com/articles/book-review-ataturk-in-the-nazi-imagination-by-stefan-ihrig-and-islam-and-nazi-germanys-war-by-david-motadel-1421441724 Bobisland (talk) 20:01, 30 January 2024 (UTC)