Talk:Regnum Teutonicorum

Wikipedia:Content forking

This looks like a POV fork. The material should be merged into Kingdom of Germany. Srnec (talk) 13:18, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

As you are well aware, because you are a major participant Srnec, there is a discussion there about the very existence of that article. So nothing should happen here until that is finally resolved. Bermicourt (talk) 15:00, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

There is no distinction between "kingdom of Germany" and regnum Teutonicorum, so this is an unnecessary fork. Just because discussions have not reached a conclusion favorable to you does not justify a separate article. Srnec (talk) 21:00, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

That's your WP:POV, however, the thrust and scope of the 2 articles is entirely different. This makes it clear that it was really just a convenient phrase for the collection of states north of the Alps; the other article wants to use KoG as if it was a real state. And, as you know, that is precisely why there is a debate. --Bermicourt (talk) 06:26, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

This is a clear WP:CONTENTFORK (see 2nd lead para) to stress one specific PoV over different views in an ongoing content dispute. The last sentence claiming imprecise terminology is unsourced WP:OR. All views held by reliable sources should be impartially covered within one article, no matter if we agree with those views or not. "Terminology" of a topic is generally covered as part of the topic's main article, thus sourced improvements should be added to Kingdom of Germany. GermanJoe (talk) 08:52, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Be fair - the only POV here, if any, is that of the German editors who created the article in the first place. That said, if it helps, I'm happy for the text to be ported to a box at the discussion page if someone knows how to do that. Bermicourt (talk) 14:34, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

To clarify a bit :). I am not advocating to suppress or ignore that viewpoint. I may disagree with the extreme "there was no real kingdom" stance, but when reliable sources state it, we should include it - just not here separately, but in the main KoG article together with all the other info. WP:CONTENTFORK is pretty clear: different views of the same topic should not be covered in different article versions. GermanJoe (talk) 14:45, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

I see where you're coming from and, in hindsight, it might have been more helpful to have imported the translated text to the talk page in one of those boxes rather than place it here. But it does highlight the difference between the German Wiki article, which pretty much aligns with one side of the argument, and the current KoG article. I certainly think there only needs to be one article down the line. Bermicourt (talk) 06:48, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Agree, and have copied the translation to Talk:Kingdom of Germany for further discussion. GermanJoe (talk) 08:28, 25 August 2015 (UTC)