Talk:Razihi language

Latest comment: 2 years ago by Injerabae in topic The phonemic value of š and ḍ

Source edit

The language of Jabal Rāziḥ: Arabic or something else? Janet C.E. Watson, Bonnie Glover Stalls, Khalid Al-razihi and Shelagh Weir Proceedings of the Seminar for Arabian Studies Vol. 36, Papers from the thirty-ninth meeting of the Seminar for Arabian Studies held in London, 21-23 July 2005 (2006), pp. 35-41 Published by: Archaeopress Article Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/41223879

Rajmaan (talk) 21:55, 15 October 2014 (UTC)Reply

Have you contacted Ethnologue about these findings yet? They would be very interested in this. 50.202.217.173 (talk) 09:14, 24 November 2014 (UTC) AReply

Syncope edit

In the examples of Syncope, is it clear that the forms on the right truly have the vowel in their underlying form? The article says that Razihi does not allow final CC clusters. Is it possible that instead of the vowels being deleted by syncope that the vowels are being inserted epenthetically? Pete unseth (talk) 21:53, 4 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

The phonemic value of š and ḍ edit

This article only lists Watson et. al (2005) but seems to be missing some of the stuff mentioned in Behnstedt (1987a:96) which suggests that the sound is similar to Swedish [ʃ] (/ŝ/ ist ein retroflexes /š/, /x̌/ ein retroflexer ich-Laut, einem schwedischen [ʃ] nicht unänlich) and from Behnstedt (2011:17) which mentions not having had seen evidence of the supposed lateral nature of ḍ and instead having noted that it was described in earlier work as “slightly retroflex” due to the tip of the tongue lying slighting behind the teeth when pronounced, otherwise being described as [t͡ʃ]. I think it would greatly improve the article to have more resources mentioned regarding Razihi because ultimately the interpretations of both as laterals seems to only be in this one paper while elsewhere it seems that both are not. It could explain why in the paper that includes two texts in the language uses the letter <c> for both reflexes of *k and *ḍ. Injerabae (talk) 04:22, 4 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

Amongst other things there’s proper reason for the page to just be overhauled—it lacks mention of Shelagh Weir’s work with written documents that are partially in Razihi and seems to overlook the aforementioned other works by Watson and co. that tend to have more in depth mentions of say, the pronominal inventory. Injerabae (talk) 14:31, 10 February 2022 (UTC)Reply