Talk:Ratoath (barony)

Ratoath was part of the Baron of Navans grant in the song of Dermot and the Earl.

Jocelyn De Angulo was Baron Navan,and had Ardmulcan. his son Gilbert had Morgallion and Nobber, and In 1240 Richard de la a corner, Bishop of Meath and nephew of Phillip de Angulo, and Richards sister Avicia, who was prioress of Lismullin Abbey, which was two miles from Tara, all of this on land the The de Angulo or Nangle clan owned and controlled. Everything I write on here gets squashed, but all the De lacy material is speculation or simply made up. Dictionary of Irish Biography has the gist of this, but legal docs and charts of St Thomas St mary’s Dublin, and Pontifical docs about Richard Bishop of Meath support what you always call personal research. Your De Lacy material needs supporting docs, it’s mostly bs.

Cookstown and Donaghmore: far away from Ratoath

Do they really belong to the barony? Cookstown in Co. Tyrone and Donaghmore in Co. Laois.--Wanfried-Dublin (talk) 09:04, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Lord John count of Mortain regrants of Gilbert De Angulo Land to Walter de Lacy

Gormanstown Register page n32 :” John Lord of Ireland Count of Mortain to Hamo de Valta ( de Valoignes Justiciar from 1194 to 1195 so fixes the date) I have given to Walter de Lacy the whole land that Gilbert De Angulo held of me, beyond the lake of Thereburn' , by the same service that Gilbert was accustomed to render, which land he forfeited, to wit, Drumcleiff( Drumcliff in Sligo) Besides I have given Walter a messuage in the town of a Lymrick to dwell in, and a fee of three Knights in the cantred I have retained. The Justiciar is to put Walter in Possession. Teste at Vernoyl- 22 (blank) see Latin text page 178. Folio 188d page 142 Gormanstown Register Rathowth and Margallen Walter de Lacy grants to Hugh de Lacy his brother all the land of Rathtowtht To hold......Truthde and all its apputances...similarly all the land of Mackergalenge that Gilbert De Angulo held ; likewise the tuathe of Fithidwinterwod, Knelcrue and Kenelene, Confirmed by Lord John of Mortain 1190

above is the land granted to Gilbert in 1175 as noted in the Song of a Dermot and the Earl.

The only copy copy of The a Song was held by Carew, that’s why 5her3 is the very strange statement after the grant# of a land in the song to Gilber5 and Zjocelyn de Angulo, stating” the one wa# son, the other father, according to the statements of the Mother. The Carews and Barrys in St Davids in Pembrokeshire wer3 in constant land ownership disagreements that carried into Ireland, from earl6 in the conquest all the way to 1530’s when Carew wrot3 his manuscripts of the Conquest of ireland. The de Rupes or Rochs and De Angulos or MacCostelloes were on one side, the de Barris and Carews on the other. In fact Cambrensis, Gerald of Wales, was rector of Angle in St David’s, where the De Angulos were Lords, but when he applied for the See of St David’s he was not approved for the position.This is why he completely omits the De Angulos from his histories, but only writes about the Geraldine’s, of which he was a family member. Carew made up the myth of Hostilo being the patriarch of the MacCostello, when it was Gilbert de Angulo 2, son of Jocelyn who was the first MacGoisdealbh. The patriarch was Gilbert de Angulo 1, Lord of the Angle, father of Jocelyn, who became Baron Navan and founded the town of Navan on land he was granted in 1175 ( the song of dermot and the Earl )ten miles north from Ratoath and south from Morgallion, Gilbert 1 granted lands in 1175, and regranted to the De lacy above.

The land 2 miles south west of Tara was also de Angulo land, Bishop of Meath Richard de la Corner, another version of de Angulo, granted this land in 1245 ( Dictionary of Irish Biography under Richard de la corner with footnotes) to his sister Avicia de la Corner, ( also Dictionary of Irish Biography with subsequent footnotes) which became Lismullin Monastery, of which Avicia became Prioress, endowed with a Lismullin and Ardnucher Churches,(Pontifica 493) both De Angulo properties as well, and which became one of the most famous Augustinian Abbess’ in the pale and continued until the dissalution, when the Cusack family took it over. MacOisdealbh (talk) 18:36, 9 March 2024 (UTC)