Talk:Ramsdell Theatre/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 14:02, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Comments

• "At the time the structure was built to be one..." maybe "At the time the structure was built, it was one"?

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:11, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• " of the best " what does this mean? By what measure?

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:30, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• "had been destroyed by fire." sounds like they both went up at the same time, perhaps clarify that.

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:49, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• "facility has a history of productions of various plays" this seems like saying "the pub has a history of serving beer".

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:07, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• "Building Features" features.

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:07, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• "The theater building" repeat the name here.

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:07, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• "in 1972. In 1980" repetitive.

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:07, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• "Colonial design" any decent link?

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:29, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• "Doric columns" likewise?

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:29, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• "builder" he built it?

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:29, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• "hipped roof, denticulated" what do both those mean?

•  Done - Copy edited accordingly giving description. In the picture of the theater you can see the inverted "V" hipped roof. The teeth-like blocks underneath the decorative upper edge of the building are the dentil.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:09, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• "pedimented center" and that?

•  Done - Copy edited accordingly giving description. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:33, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• "portico Doric" what's portico? And link Doric first time.

•  Done - Copy edited accordingly giving description. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:33, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• "pillars which" that (to avoid repetitiveness).

•  Done - Copy edited accordingly. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:33, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• "was in the class of the finest opera" how so?

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• "gridiron" what's that?

•  Done - Copy edited accordingly. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• "fly galleries" and those?

•  Done - Linked accordingly. Used by behind-the-scenes theater crew for lowering or raising items to and from the stage floor.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:16, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• "floor. [5]The" move the space to after the ref.

•  Done -- Shearonink (talk) 20:17, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• "by notable artists in their own right" do you mean "by artists notable in their own right"?

•  Done -- Shearonink (talk) 20:17, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• "who painted sets..." lots of "painted" in these sentences.

•  Done -- Shearonink (talk) 19:47, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• "gilded proscenium besides" overlinked.

•  Done -- Adjusted those sentences to make everything more clear and less clunky and remove the "over-reffing". Shearonink (talk) 20:27, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• "in 1882. In 1883" repetitive Perhaps "in 1882. The following year"

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:58, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• "Twenty-five more plays were performed in 1903 with a record 53 " 25/53 or Twenty-five/fifty-three.

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:46, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• "Western theatre Association of Chicago" small t?

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:46, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• "was terminated in" what was, the association or the lease?

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:46, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• "$25,000 from" inflate.

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:46, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• "Rotarians" link?

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:46, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• "movie theatre house" theatre or theater?

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:46, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• "out of date" hyphenate. But do you really just mean "old"?

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:46, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• "that ran first run movies" hyphenate "first-run".

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:46, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• "was licensed from the " I don't really understand this sentence.

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:13, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• "purchase the theatre and hall for $3,000 per year. This was to go over a twelve-year period. There" maybe merge, "purchase the theatre and hall for $3,000 per year over a twelve-year period. There"?

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:13, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• "Michigan State Troops" link?

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:13, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• "city would acquire"" would or did?

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:13, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• "of the space of the hall" of the hall or in the hall?

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:41, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• "its original heyday" POV issues.

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:41, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• "Managing Director" why caps?

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:41, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• "theatre and hall.[13][6] " theatre or theater? And order of refs.

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:41, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• "In this year he started" ugh, merge with previous short sentence.

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:41, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• "fund raising" hyphenate.

•  Done -- Shearonink (talk) 19:47, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• Don't think the historical marker text needs to be repeated, it's pretty clear to see.

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:41, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• Refs should be complete, i.e. publisher, date, access date, website etc.

Reminder: I'm taking this one on. Shearonink (talk) 19:00, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

•  Done -- Shearonink (talk) 21:57, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• Comment: I'm not sure the Note I added is Wiki-kosher or "according to Hoyle" but I wanted any possible future readers to know that the National Archives actually has a pdf file of the Nomination & Acceptance forms available online for public view. Shearonink (talk) 21:57, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• "1902-1914" etc, year ranges, page ranges etc need en-dash not hyphen.

•  Done -- Shearonink (talk) 19:47, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• "Ramsdell Theatre - City of Manistee" spaced hyphen should be en-dash too.

•  Done -- Shearonink (talk) 19:47, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• It's not listed in the "U.S. National Register of Historic Places" navigation box so it shouldn't be there.

?? -- Am confused about this item. Per the National Archives the Ramsdell is listed on the National Register (see info below), so what exactly is missing that needs to be fixed?

• Record Hierarchy

Record Group 79:

Records of the National Park Service, 1785 - 2006

Series: National Register of Historic Places and National Historic Landmarks Program Records, 2013 - 2017

File Unit: National Register of Historic Places and National Historic Landmarks Program Records: Michigan

Item: Michigan Single Properties Finding Aid, https://catalog.archives.gov/id/25337646 (Page 403)

• https://catalog.archives.gov/id/25340037
• https://catalog.archives.gov/search?q=ramsdell&f.ancestorNaIds=20812803

Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 20:11, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

This article is not listed in the NRHP template at the bottom of the page. I didn't say it wasn't listed in the NRHP. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:14, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Ah ok, clear as mud now. so the template should be {{National Register of Historic Places in Michigan}} then. Got it. Shearonink (talk) 20:34, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

•  Done -- Shearonink (talk) 20:34, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

That's it, on hold. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:12, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• FYI, I live about 30 miles (48 km) from this theater and is the reason I was able to get so many pictures of it.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:41, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• The Rambling Man - I think Doug Coldwell & myself have now fixed/adjusted all your concerns re the GA criteria. Shearonink (talk) 21:57, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
• @The Rambling Man: All issues have been addressed. Can you take another look. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:06, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Ref 4 needs filling out properly. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:00, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man: Ref 4 is covered by Ref 2 = fixed. Will that work.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 16:40, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Doug Coldwell Sorry, I missed that correction/adjustment in that massive edit conflict I thought I had fixed. Sfn ref/Ref #4 looks perfect to me (Harvard refs can sometime be such a pain to get adjusted so they're correct... ) Shearonink (talk)

Okay, I made a few minor tweaks and deleted a sentence which I think was already covered. Feel free to revert. Otherwise, I'm satisfied this is good enough now. Nice work. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:01, 21 March 2021 (UTC)