Talk:Rajasthani people
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merger edit
Since Marwaris are very much a part of Rajasthani people. I would like to propose merger of Marwaris to this article. --Onef9day Talk! 08:52, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
This article is made by some gujar person edit
This artice boasts of Gujar tribals, however the fact is rajasthan was ruled by rajputs and known for rajput bravery .Gujars were known for CRIMINAL TRIBALS However some gujars have only mentioned meenas as criminal tribe and played safe.
Rajasthan [district Gazetteers].: Alwar
Ideologies of the Raj, Volume 3 By Thomas R. Metcalf
History of British rule in India, Volume 2 By Edward Thompson, Geoffrey Theodore Garratt
- This article is about Rajasthani peoples so a brief about major community of Rajasthan is written.If you want to include each and everything about a particular community, then go to the respective page of that community and write there if it's not already there.I looked into the criminal group issue and turned out that there were 250 groups which were classified by British government as criminals due to the active participation of these groups against British rule.As far as this article is concerned, it's well referenced.Hope you will not remove referenced content from the article as you did lately.RegardsMkrestin (talk) 11:40, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
Yadav is a major clan of Rajasthan edit
http://www.haryana-online.com/people/ahirs.htm
- looks more like a POV --121.245.210.36 (talk) 03:16, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
This article is full of Gujjar tribe propaganda. edit
Whats the need of linked word Gujjar. in every other sentence. Can't it be written properly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.101.155.250 (talk) 12:03, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
- Gujjar tribe propaganda??? not really. See Gujjar word is more related to Gujarat and once in history parts of rajasthan and gujarat were called Gurjaratra. the history of rajasthani culture more revolves around it and its nomenclature is done in such a way that it actually reflects the old culture and tradition of Gurjaratra. for example Maru-Gurjar Painting now you can see that even historians have used this kind of nomenclature. it is nothing to do with so called Gujjar tribe. --Onef9day Talk! 11:32, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I was reading the article on Rajasthan with interest to learn until I came to the section on Romani people.
I myself am from a Romani family in Europe and speak the Romani language and I am very knowledgeable on Romani culture and identity.
Somewhere in recent years a Gajo (non-Romani man) writing about the Romani people has made the untrue statement that Rom in Romani means 'man' and it comes from the word 'dom'. This is a lie that has often been copied and passed on as mistaken fact. The fact is that the word "Rom / Roman" in the Romani language can mean 'Husband' or can mean 'a man who is Romani'. It means 'man' no more than Jatt means man in Panjabi or Rajput means man in Rajasthani. The word for man in Romani is "manush" and a woman is "Manushni". A man who is a respected and married man within the Romani is called a Rom and his wife is called a Romni. Until a Romani is respectfully married he is called a "Chavo" meaning 'ones own / offspring / kinsman / son'. A girl is called a "Chai". In Romani lore, some also have a tale that we come from rich and powerful land and our king was called "King Rom". The tale goes on to say Gaje (non-Romani - probably from Romani word "Gav" meaning village / town) are jealous of us and don't want us to be successful again - referring to our struggles and oppression we have suffered since being in Europe.
When we look into Sanskrit & Indian language we find the word Ram(a) / Raman also means 'husband' so it seems only to obvious that Rom comes from Ram and Roman comes from Raman. Not Domba / Dombii / Dombari / Domari etc.
In addition to this we know that Domba / Domari people aren't related to the Romani and that they didn't have a common origin whilst in India due to grammar and language. Domari speak a more Hindi based language using 'a' at the end of masculine words and they have three gender suggesting they left India much earlier (many believe around around 600ad). In Persia there is account that around this time the King of Persia took thousands of Indian entertainers into the Persian Empire to entertain the locals. Among tribes of the Domba in Iran and central Asia they themselves have accounts of this stories for ancestry. It seems all to obvious.
With regards to the Romani however, we know by certain words and the two gender grammar etc that Romani didn't leave India until shortly after 1000ad which was the time that the Islamic Ghazni invaded the NW of India. We also know that Romani, unlike the Domba came from the Rajasthani / Panjabi region of NW India. The reason being is that Romani uses the Rajasthani grammar of 'o' on the end of masculine words which is different to most other Hindusthani languages that use an 'a' instead. example of this is 'ando - in, muro - my, kako - uncle, tikno - small boy, raklo - boy (non Romani), mulo - dead person (male), chavo - young male (Romani) / son, chikno - dirty / greasy, tiro - your, Kalo - black, amaro - our, tawno - young, phurano - ancient, phuro - old, bharo - big, lacho - good (from acho) etc etc. We also see words like Char for grass come from Rajasthan where some say Charo, whereas in Panjabi it is Ghar and in Hindi it is Ghas. In addition we also see the Rajasthani shift of 's' to 'ch' as in the word "chav" meaning 'like'. this is from the Sanskrit root of sv (sav). In Sanskrit there is also the word sva (sava) meaning kinsman / offspring which is like the Romani word "Chavo" meaning the same. In addition to Rajasthani origins of the Romani people we also have Panjabi influence upon the language. We see the Panjabi shift from 'bh' to 'ph' such as the Romani words phral = brother (from Panjabi = phra) & phen = sister. We also see the Panjabi shift of 'gh' to 'kh' as in the Romani words Kher = house (from Panjabi = Khar), Khuro = colt / male horse (from Panjabi = Khora).
we also see the Rajasthani / Panjabi words for 'over there / here' which are "Othe" & "Athai".
Romani does not have the word "raj" for king, but has the word "Thakar" for king which is a commonly used word in Rajasthan. We do however have the root of Raj which is "Rai" meaning noble / gentleman which originates from the Sanskrit 'Arya' meaning the same (I believe the 'a' from the from got dropped and ji for respect was added - Rai ji which later became Raj). Romano Rai mean 'Romani gentleman'.
In addition to this we have recent finds such as flamenco music which is a Romani originating music / dance that greatly has impacted the Spanish & Portuguese for hundreds of years. Real flamenco is performed by the Romani of Spain & Portugal and is an important aspect of the their culture and lifestyle. When the Romani came down into Spain in around 1425ad it is recorded they were accepted and respected for their music. We find records that in 1500ad some Romani musicians were even sent to Scotland and onto Scandinavia to perform their music on behalf of Spain. Flamenco, the music of the Spanish & Portuguese Romani, it has been noted in recent years uses the 12 beat for timing which is apparently an Indian beat. It has also be noted that the movements and singing etc mirrors that of dance and music found in western Rajasthan (there is a video on youtube of a new report to verify this). Again we find not just language and culture that proves a Rajasthani origin for the Romani but also their music and dance pin points the exact same location.
They are not the same people as the Domba / Domari found in Iran, Afghanistan and the Middle East. Domari do not have the Rajasthani masculine 'o' but we find the Hindi use of 'a'. We find that they do not have the Rajasthani & Panjabi unique words but instead we find word more identifiable with a language such as Hindi.
Romani after leaving India made a very prompt journey in what is now Turkey (was then Christian Byzantine / Armenian Empire and the language was Greek / Armenian. Religion was Christianity) where they settled for over two hundred years before appearing into south east Europe in around 1300ad. Prior to the Romani even leaving India, the Domari had already become an active part of the Persian Empire, which then became a part of the Islamic world where they are still found to this day. Unlike Domari which has a large Persian / Arab influence, Romani hasn't got any Arabic absorbed into and has little Persian. The Persian words found in Romani are not the same as those found in Domari which also proves they have no common origin. The Persian words in Romani are more likely to be picked up whilst still in North west India as many are also found in Urdu or they were picked up whilst they were living in what is now eastern Turkey as the remaining words are common to Persian of this area as seen in languages of this region such as Kurdish.
Many thanks for your time reading and I appreciate any correction to the article. Tsigano (talk) 09:05, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
just adding a link to support
Rajasthani -> flamenco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvEUHW-qoTU
Romani girl goes to Panjab and is surprised to see Romani customs and language
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6HfenInNEA
Just to shine more light on Domari language Domari say bhar & bhen for brother and sister which is like Hindi bhai & bhen (unlike Romani who say Panjabi phra(l) & phen). They say ghora for horse (unlike Romani who use Panjabi 'kh' for 'gh' and Rajasthani 'o' for 'a' = khuro) for over there they say hundar which again is obviously like Hindi 'udhar' (unlike Romani who say Rajasthani / Panjabi 'othe') To any one studying into Romani & Domari language difference and is aware of the difference in unique words and grammar from Hindi to say Rajsthani & Panjabi will instantly recognise the two have very different regional roots.
The latest theories are saying that Romani originte from the Thar desert region of western Rajasthan & southern Panjab. many thanks Tsigano (talk) 09:40, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Gotra change edit
Gotra change 2409:4052:E81:8792:8557:CD20:B643:920D (talk) 19:15, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Occupation of caste edit
Gurjars are not only cattle herders. They are buisnessman and good cultivators also in Rajasthan 106.206.143.3 (talk) 11:04, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Caste wise population of Rajasthan edit
Rajput are 15% in rajasthan
Rajasthan is mainly a Rajput dominated state. The Rajputs have ruled this entire region single-handedly. That's why this entire region was called Rajputana 103.157.126.142 (talk) 06:00, 27 March 2023 (UTC)