Talk:Rahmah el Yunusiyah

Latest comment: 2 years ago by Ganesha811 in topic GA Review

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk11:58, 12 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

  • ... that Rahmah el Yunusiyah founded four Islamic schools for women in Indonesia despite herself being made to leave school at age 16? Source: Vreede-De Stuers, Cora (1960). The Indonesian Woman: Struggles and Achievements. Gravenhage: Mouton & Co. p. 183. ISBN 9789027910448.
    • ALT1: ... that unlike some other modernizing women in colonial Indonesia, Rahmah el Yunusiyah disdained the Dutch and had no European friends? Source: Gelman Taylor, Jean (2017). "10. Breaking Dependence on Foreign Powers". Indonesia. Yale University Press. p. 297. doi:10.12987/9780300128086-014. ISBN 978-0-300-12808-6. S2CID 246152772.
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Wilma Schmidt
    • Comment: Very open to other hook suggestions; she was also the first woman to be made a Syeikah of Al-Azhar University and was imprisoned by the Dutch for seven months.

Created by Ganesha811 (talk) and Dan Carkner (talk). Nominated by Ganesha811 (talk) at 12:30, 6 July 2022 (UTC).Reply

  • Comment: Yes, "being" is what I intended, not "beyond", thanks for checking! —Ganesha811 (talk) 14:26, 6 July 2022 (UTC)Reply
  •   Pass: passes eligibility criteria, QPQ done and both hooks are within policy. Article itself is fantastic, well-written, adequately cited, and very expansive. Can confirm source via a free preview for the page on Google Books. Recommend ALT0 as I find it ironic that she was essentially forced to leave school then founded four herself. Great work! 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 02:08, 7 July 2022 (UTC)Reply
  • Comment: in my opinion the article needs some work before it gets a higher profile. I don't consider it fully developed yet based on what sources are out there - especially her political career. --Dan Carkner (talk) 16:07, 6 July 2022 (UTC)Reply
    • Dan, I agree we can definitely keep improving the article, but DYK articles don't have to be fully developed to go through, unlike GAs or FAs. In any case, it won't be running at DYK until it's reviewed, promoted, and scheduled, so it could be a week or more. —Ganesha811 (talk) 20:03, 6 July 2022 (UTC)Reply
  • Good to know, thanks. Will see what else I can put into the article sometime. Dan Carkner (talk) 20:07, 6 July 2022 (UTC)Reply
    @Dan Carkner: looks like the hook has been approved and scheduled for July 21st! —Ganesha811 (talk) 12:50, 12 July 2022 (UTC)Reply
    Oh good! Dan Carkner (talk) 14:38, 12 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

    "Learned to Read and Write in Arabic and Latin"

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    I just want to comment on this statement which has been bugging me but I haven't quite had cause to amend it yet. My guess is that whatever source said this meant that she learned to read the Arabic language and learned to read Malay (the common educational language in the Indies for natives) in both Arabic script (Jawi alphabet) and in the Latin alphabet; both writing systems coexisted at that time. I would be curious if she really learned Latin but it's of course possible for someone who was receiving a very classical-style education even in Sumatra. Dan Carkner (talk) 16:12, 13 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

    Your guess is right. Latin does not refer to Latin (as language). So, Rahmah learned to write Malay with the Latin alphabet (not learn Latin), because at that time Malay was still commonly written with the Jawi alphabet. Rahmatdenas (talk) Rahmatdenas (talk) 14:25, 17 July 2022 (UTC)Reply
    OK, I updated the article text a bit to clarify. --Dan Carkner (talk) 15:00, 17 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

    GA Review

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    The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


    This review is transcluded from Talk:Rahmah el Yunusiyah/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

    Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 14:52, 15 October 2022 (UTC)Reply


    Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

    If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

    I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

    Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs)

    Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

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      Done Removed all refs from the lead, per WP:LEADCITE - they were not really necessary there as pointed out.
      Done Added.
      Done Added details of her age and place of death.

    General

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      Done Added.
      Done Added as a note, along with a new Notes section.
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      Done Think I got them all.
    • The nationalist figure Rasuna Said had been a student in the mixed gender Dinayah school and assistant teacher in the girls' school since 1923; Said incorporated politics into her courses, until she eventually came into a disagreement with el Yunusiyah and left the school for Padang in 1930.[ - this is a hell of a sentence. Suggest reword for readability. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 19:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
      Done Yes, that one did get away from us a little bit, didn't it!
      Done Fixed.
      Done Adjusted.

    Review meta comments

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    Great work - there wasn't really much here to critique. I'm going to pass this article now. If you get bored, feel free to take a look at any of my nominations. Great work. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 21:09, 15 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
    Thank you! I may well take a look at one of your nominations when I get done with the review I'm currently working on. —Ganesha811 (talk) 21:18, 15 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
    The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.