Talk:Radoslav Katičić

Katicic finally tells the truth that Serbian and Croatian are ONE language

Once being hard 'croaticentric', this croatian linguist is waking up and like many other nationalisticly inclinned linguists before him, tells the truth: Croatian and Serbian are just 2 variants of ONE SAME LANGUAGE. In the article, whose link I will put below, Katicic openly tells that 'Hercegovian dialect (Shtokavian), which is also taken to be the standard for the 'Croatian' language,-is same language with the Serbian dialects (also Shtokavian), and they (Serbian and Croatian) cannot be considered as different languages'. This is one more prove of the recent process of 'soberization' of many croatian linguists, even the nationalists ones, who were pressured to present lies about the language during the slowely dying HDZ natonalistic euphoria in Croatia. With this evidence of the facts about the Serbocroatian language, and many more to come from the big majority of now 'soberized' croatian linguists, cro-nationalists are slowely, but definitely losing their dirty separatistic war, which was full of lies and manipulations of the facts, and also against all the progressive and civilizated trends in today's linguistic world. Best regards to Katicic and welcome to the world of reality, truth and majority. Enjoy:

http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Kultura/tabid/81/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/24377/Default.aspx

Cheers.24.86.116.250 (talk) 05:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Still manipulating around? Try to translate what he said once more time. Zenanarh (talk) 10:52, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I call it "Yugoslavian" since Croats, Bosniaks, Serbs, Montenegrins, Bulgars and Macedons speak the same damn language. There are some regional variations from village to village, but that isn't called a "language" but a "dialect". So, Yugoslavian with many dialects. And yes, I realize how many Croats would burn me on a stake if I said it in public... 99.236.221.124 (talk) 17:43, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

You either have not read the whole article, or you are manipulating by quoting only one sentence out of context. Or you have not understood it. In that case:

One sentence below your quote, the article states that it is not the dialects that constitute a different language. It is the standardized, codified language, what German calls "Hochsprache". You see, from a linguistic, scientific perspective "language" is not just about understanding each other, some identical or similar vocabulary and grammar that defines a language - by that standard Dutch and some German dialects would be the same language and Austrian (east and west), Swiss and German would be three or more different languages (on TV they subtitle Austrian or Swiss speakers not using the standard language).

It is the standardized, codified language with it's stylistic and syntactic attributes and the literary corpus that coined it and defines it that is considered here. By this standard German is one language because the standard language in all German speaking countries is defined by and refer to "Goethe and Schiller" as do American and British English refer to Shakespeare. That is why they are linguistically one language despite all the not inconsiderable differences. Croatian on the other hand, has the aforementioned attributes and a literary corpus of it's own and is therefore considered a separate language, not only from German and English but also from Slovak (which is perfectly understandable to Croat speakers, as is Bulgarian and Russian and to a practiced ear basically all Slavic languages) but also from Slovenian and Macedonian and Serbian - which of course is the closest. Denying that would be moronic.

So please stop mixing science with ideology and politics, ranting about topics you are not qualified to discuss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geradid (talk • contribs) 07:44, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

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