Talk:Rabbit r1

Re: Written as Advertisement

Hi @Significa liberdade

Thanks for checking out the article. Is there anything I could do to make the article sound more neutral and objective.

It felt a bit difficult to do and I agree that it almost comes off as an advertisement Mr Vili talk 01:13, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Change or remove sentences like The Rabbit R1 is a new type of personal technology device that combines hardware and software to provide services commonly associated with smartphones and smart home devices. The list of things it can do are all things my smartphone can do, the exception being the voice-activated so-called "AI". Can the thing even make calls? If not, then it's got less useful functionality than my phone (which I can load "AI" apps onto if I wanted). Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 12:37, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey there, I've been working on r1 since last week and fixed up the advertising tone you were talking about. I'm pretty new so I'm not sure if its up to standards so I'll leave it up to you want to remove the warning. Thanks. Lule34567 (talk) 12:42, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey, Lule34567. Are you also using the account Lule345, that added info about media packages being sent out? Can I ask, do you work for or with Rabbit Tech, or Teenage Engineering? Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 12:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I am. Sorry about that, I sometimes get my old and new accounts mixed up. Anyways, I don't work for Rabbit Tech, I'm actually pretty active in their community, and so is Jesse Lyu. He confirmed that packages just got sent out, though I'm not sure if IM messages count as primary sources. By the way, I'm still waiting for legal permission to use their promo images as a photo in the infobox for the article. Lule345 (talk) 12:55, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Ok, for reference, you would be best putting a note on your user page saying you previously edited with the Lule345 account, then scambling the password for that one so you can't access it. You may also want to have a read of WP:COI as you might need to declare a conflict of interest. I'm not saying you do need to do so, and I'm not an admin. Just pointing out the potential. I agree that the advert tag can be removed - I'll do that now - but I'm still not sure the product itself is notable. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:47, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Alright: I changed the password and changed user page to go to my profile instead so that should be done. Product probably wont declared notable until we actually get it delivered near march to july, although when media packages get reviewed, some more info will pop up we can use for the page, which could remove the tag. Lule345 (talk) 12:21, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

I've corrected the name to Rabbit Inc instead of Rabbit Tech because I think that's their actual organisation/company name, their domain is just rabbit.tech Mr Vili talk 00:20, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Upcoming r1 "pickup party" (or launch party) hosted by Rabbit

Title; From what I've heard, it'll be taking place in California and New York, though I'll have to research more where and what it exactly is. I already got a couple of people going there personally in order to get photos for this article (both for the event and as a thumbnail for the r1 itself), though I'm leaving this topic here in order to let you guys know as well as leave any suggestions. Lule345 (talk) 11:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

I just finished the (small but worthy) section relating to the pickup party last night, though I'm still waiting for the review from MKBHD before I start getting secondary source reviews in as right now there's only like, what, 3, maybe 4 people who made a review video as of right now?

Either way, I still need images, and I have yet to get my r1 delivered in June so I've been constantly asking someone for an image for the thumbnail. I'm also thinking of getting an image for the event itself though I'm not sure about the formatting for that. Lule345 (talk) 12:25, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Scam

Should mention this 2601:2C0:4B82:8680:FC5C:565B:5D95:1CA2 (talk) 16:36, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Chat GPT Credit

As it currently stands the Wikipedia article makes in it sounds like this its own AI product while it is actual running Chat GPT with script based web browsing. Please see Coffeezilla's video on 5/24/2024 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLvFc_24vSM Modernlove1998 (talk) 18:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Please see WP:RSPYT. I would not be surprised if a reliable source says that the r1 uses ChatGPT. But for now, a YouTube link doesn’t cut it. -1ctinus📝🗨 19:15, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

What is with that jarring sig, 1ctinus? Anyway WP:RSP is an information page, but WP:YOUTUBE is a guideline (i.e. WP:PG). So long as there's a timestamp showing verification, then it's fine to use, though still should be done with great caution. But you calling YouTube a source is a mistake. (Also, why not link to WP:RS, which stands for reliable source, instead of adding it in plain text, for an obviously new user? It's not very inviting, is all.) Anyway, so the BBC, for example, is a source (RS even). A source that has a channel on the YouTube platform, etc. El_C 04:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

I might be misinterpreting but I didn’t link to WP:YOUTUBE at all? Anyways, if you want to evaluate at a channel level instead of a general platform level, Coffeezilla is clearly not suitable for referencing on Wikipedia. He, as a YouTuber is self published, and WP:RSSELF applies which is a guideline.

In the video as well, Coffee states that the r1 uses 3 different AI services, so putting the device as “ChatGPT” is slightly oversimplifying things.

I really hope i’m not coming off as condescending. (also, whats wrong with my signature? I think it looks fine) -1ctinus📝🗨 10:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

I replaced the coffeezilla source with a Quartz source saying it uses ChatGPT. :) -1ctinus📝🗨 14:10, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Does the patent work as a source? I checked it, and it mentions:

"In addition to the basic chat functions provided by existing AI systems such as ChatGPT, embodiments of the system can actively monitor user conversations and initiate, based on information extracted from the user conversations, a dialog with the user without having first receiving an explicit input or command from the user. This allows the system to be 'human-like.'"

The patent number is 11908476, and the name is "System and method of facilitating human interactions with products and services over a network". 104.162.83.100 (talk) 19:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Should we remove Tom's Hardware as a source from this article

I apologize, I have very little experience with contributing to Wikipedia, and perhaps this is this wrong way to go about this, but I discovered a significant discrepancy with the citation to Tom's Hardware in this article. Specifically, the Wikipedia article cites an early "hands on review" from Tom's Hardware that declares the Rabbit R1 to be the future of AI, however, this version of the review no longer exists, even in the Web Archive. I had to find it here: https://archive.ph/JS4yo

If you go to the link now, you get a *completely* different review that says to avoid the product and has completely different information than what the citations credit it to. For example, one of the citations that points to the Tom's Hardware review claims the ability to order a cab and play music, however, the updated review from Tom's makes no mention of cab-ordering functionality, and throws its ability to play music into question.

Perhaps most upsetting, the new and updated review makes absolutely no mention of the old, glowing review of the scam, it just redirects you to the new one. The only hint on Tom's website that the glowing review ever existed is in their archive which still retains the old headline: https://www.tomsguide.com/reviews/archive/2024/01 they seem to have scoured the old version from their website and the web archive entirely. Appleszombie (talk) 21:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I would support this. -1ctinus📝🗨 22:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Any suggestions on how I should go about editing the page? Simply removing any statements that depend on the citation, or something else? Appleszombie (talk) 00:50, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@Appleszombie What you've discovered is impressive. I personally think that removing Tom's Hardware as a source from this article is a right way to go. Jothefiredragon🐲talk🐉edits 18:56, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Appleszombie (talk) 14:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

After a couple of people with more experience than me expressed support, I removed the citations and any statements that relied exclusively on those citations: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rabbit_r1&oldid=1225916276 Appleszombie (talk) 14:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Well spotted, and good work! Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)