Talk:Pueblo Revolt

Re-write notes

Article re-written; the history showed a bunch of stubs vacillating between anti-Spanish and Spanish-apologist musings. I have tried to strike a middle ground. Murcielago 00:36, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Murcielago nice job, real close to middle ground...but it still buys into some 19th Century American values that still linger in the history books. For example, according to Spanish records various Navajo groups were trading with many pueblos in the same time period around the revolt and joined them in the revolt. I believe some pueblo people fled to Navajo areas and lived there after the revolt. The political and economic situation in the Southwest was complex around this time.

Pueblos certainly raided, as did the Spanish, as did Navajo, Apache and other Native American tribes/groups in the region for 100s of years. Granted, each group had a different view point of these activities (raiding, slave gathering, retaliation, revenge, religious missions, military expeditions). Some oral traditions of these events remain in the various cultures. However, the Spanish did record these activities in their own words for their own purposes (not for an middle ground history), close to when they happened.

My personal viewpoint is that by the mid 1800s the pueblos were not viewed as an enemy by the recently arrived Americans. Many Americans of that period vilified (spoke untruths or ignored truths about) any "indians" who objected to the American citizens and governmental control. Americans wrote lots of things down. This cultural bias lingers today where many Americans assume the Spanish were always protecting the pueblos from "those raiders". The Pueblo Revolt(s) is one historical example that this was not always or entirely true. The pueblo's knew how to conduct war, form political alliances and many did not appreciate the Spanish occupation. That is my soapbox which will stay on the discussion page.

Trying to find the middle ground is very hard when cultures collide. I leave my edits til later. Best to all --Rcollman 14:09, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Please. I need the ancient REAL article. Where is the old HISTORICAL article about Pueblo Revolt, and why they put this indigenist bullshit here?!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.152.65.60 (talk) 01:13, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

See also

I think the link to King Phillip's war is pertinent. It occurred at about the same time, and was also a native war against colonialism.--Rockero 02:05, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

• Agreed. The parallels between the two are striking, even though they took place on opposite sides of the continent. -Murcielago 21:32, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Looks like some of the history text was taken from here: ancientweb.org do we have some copyright issues? --Rcollman 15:57, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Motivations of Missionaries

In the middle of the article there is this line: "The priests converted the Pueblos to build the Spanish empire in New Mexico." This is an unsourced, uncited claim about the motivations of the missionaries, rather than merely the events of the Revolt. It seems to me to be an attempt to cast the missionaries purely as evil agents of imperialism, rather than having any real care about saving the souls of or serving the natives. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.255.98.121 (talk) 11:59, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Bilingual

It says there is a bilingual play but in what two languages is it spoken? English and Spanish? Tanoan and Hopi? Could someone make this point clear? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.94.227.11 (talk) 20:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I moved this here to talk about it,

While a fugitive from the Spanish authorities for complicity in several murders, Popé sought refuge at Taos Pueblo."

I've read every account that I can find about the revolt and never have I heard this story about Popé being involved in murder. At least not until after the revolt. Carptrash (talk) 04:36, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Importance

I find it rather distressing that this article has not received a rating on the "quality" or "importance" scales. Nor has the article on Popé. Odd? It seems to me that the Pueblo revolt was a major event and Popė a major character in American history and they deserve to be acknowledged as important. Popé is one of two New Mexicans whose statue is in the Congress building. Smallchief 16:22, 19 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smallchief (talk • contribs)

I have thus far stayed away from those sort of determinations but as I understand it, they are made by any editor who feels so inclined, just like any other edit. If you want to get the article reviewed for "quality" I believe that it is a somewhat bureaucratic process that you should research a bit before launching into it. In terms of the "importance" of these articles, you need to figure out what arena they would be in, New Mexico, Native history, Spanish history, Revolting history (or whatever), look and see how other articles are treated and then start doing it. I might even try it myself. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 22:32, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Word Choice

The use of terms like "Belligerents" and "Revolting Puebloans" rather than "Pueblos Rebelling," or "Pueblos in Revolt," seems insulting. To revolt means to rebel, a revolt is an uprising, but the word revolting means "intensely disgusting." I believe new headings are needed for those sections on the right margin of the page, out of respect. And an unbiased look at events would indicate the invaders were the belligerents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.2.149.104 (talk) 09:24, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

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What happened to the Pueblo after the Pueblo Revolt?

There is very little information on this article about the fate of the Pueblo after the Pueblo Revolt. It's hard to believe that nothing happened from then to Mexican and later American incorporation and the reservations. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 05:01, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

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