Talk:Proto-Slavic accent
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The dotted circle
editThe dotted circles make it very hard for me to make out the accent marks. Can something else be used? CodeCat (talk) 01:16, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- Like what? I saw it being used on some other articles, and thought it was the standard practice for sound-neutral diacritics... --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 05:58, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- That's what it was intended for, but in practice it makes the diacritics hard to read. Maybe use the letter o? Or even the diacritics on their own? CodeCat (talk) 12:52, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- I'm using Chrome on a Mac and I can see the accent marks more-or-less OK, but some look strange, e.g. the circumflex and "general accent mark" appear inside the circle while the rest appear outside. They're also kind of small. Perhaps use an o, and blow up the font? That will make it look like a solid version of the dotted circle (which appears significantly larger than a normal-sized circle for me). Benwing (talk) 23:11, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- That's what it was intended for, but in practice it makes the diacritics hard to read. Maybe use the letter o? Or even the diacritics on their own? CodeCat (talk) 12:52, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
@CodeCat, Benwing: On Windows it's perfectly legible. How do these look like (with {{IPA}} instead of {{unicode}}): ⟨◌̋⟩, ⟨◌̏⟩, ⟨◌̑⟩ ⟨◌̀⟩ ⟨◌̃⟩ ⟨◌̍⟩ ? --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 22:24, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Not really a noticeable difference. I'm using Linux Mint and Firefox. I think the problem is that the dots of the circle touch the diacritic at some points, making them blend together and hard for the eye to distinguish. CodeCat (talk) 23:04, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Must be a Linux font issue then (nothing new there..) I'm fine with replacing it with <o> then. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 18:20, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- @Ivan Štambuk: I'm using Mac OS X. For me also, there's no diff between {{IPA}} and {{Unicode}}. I don't have any issues with diacritics overlapping the circle, but some go just above the top, some just below the top (hence inside the circle). The ones that show up inside are the 3rd (circumflex) and 6th (vertical bar). In any case I agree with using lowercase o. Benwing (talk) 09:58, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
- Must be a Linux font issue then (nothing new there..) I'm fine with replacing it with <o> then. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 18:20, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Writing
editHow can we write the phonetic values of ⟨ő⟩, ⟨ȍ⟩, ⟨ȏ⟩, ⟨ò⟩, ⟨õ⟩ and ⟨o̍⟩ with the International Phonetic Alphabet? 109.211.86.78 (talk) 20:53, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Long vowels from short/circumflex in West Slavic
editThere seem to be many cases of long vowels from Proto-Slavic circumflex vowels in the West Slavic languages. According to the table in the article, the circumflex ought to result in a short vowel. Two words in particular stand out. First is Slavic *dǫ̑bъ AP c, reconstruction by Derksen. In Polish this appears with a reflex of an older long nasal vowel, dąb (alternating with dęb-). Second is *bȏgъ AP c, appearing in with a long vowel in Czech bůh and Polish bóg. What is the origin of the long vowels in these languages? More intriguing is why *bȏgъ has a circumflex in the first place, given that it's a short vowel. Under what sound change were short vowels lengthened in this way in Slavic? Rua (mew) 17:17, 26 April 2019 (UTC)