Talk:Propaganda in North Korea

Citations

Hi Goldfritha, we can have different views on the use of shortened footnotes but can we at least agree on the correct ISBN for Myer's book i.e. 978-1933633916 ? :) Sean.hoyland - talk 04:13, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay, there's been no response on talk page so I've reapplied the change over to shortened footnotes for Myers' book. This, again, uses the correct ISBN 978-1933633916 to fix the 23 instances of the incorrect ISBN 978-1-933-91-6 which is missing 3 digits in the middle. There are no changes to the content. Sean.hoyland - talk 13:13, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, actually you've changed it from the 10 to the 13 digit ISBN -- both of which are correct.

Why on earth did you change it to the shortened form and deny people the chance to see what the source is just by clicking on the link? Goldfritha (talk) 00:05, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Lead

Does this recent edit to the lead [1] representative of the article or POV pushing?--PLNR (talk) 05:57, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Juche/communism

The led lists Brian Reynolds Myers' opinion that Juche is not the leading ideology in North Korea because the DPRK has distanced itself from "true" communism, like removing all instances of the word "communism" from their constitution. However, Juche never was communism and communism isn't Juche. Juche is far more than just a socialistic ideal in the sense that production is controlled by the state (simply reading the Juche article is evidence of that). From what I've read, the two have little to do with each other and just because the country isn't, by their words, communist, doesn't mean that Juche is not (or can not) be the primary ideology. Not to mention people like Hwang Jang-yop says it IS the primary ideology in conjunction with the Ten Principles. I think the entire part should be removed, additionally because Juche is only a fraction of the propaganda and yet takes up most of the led (WP:UNDUE). I'm deleting it per WP:BOLD and because there seems to be little activity & thus a pre-delete discussion is unlikely. If there are any objections please discuss it here and I'd be happy to re-insert the info if there's a consensus to do so. Coinmanj (talk) 07:01, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Horrible POV and Too Brian Myers Centric

This Wikipedia entry is way TOO Brian Myers centric. Virtually all footnotes from n8-35 cite his angry polemic The Cleanest Race. Also, the Jasper Becker and Christopher Hitchens sources are crude advocacy journalism. All of this makes the entry extremely one-sided and biased. Horrible POV. I don't have time to write Wikipedia articles. Other Wikipedians should revise the entry with the following important scholarship:

(1) Cheol Hyun Jeong and Sang Hoon Lee, "Cultural Policy in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea," East Asia, Vol. 26, No. 3, September 2009, pp. 213-225, SpringerLink, http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12140-009-9080-5

(2) Immanuel J. Kim, "North Korean Literature: Margins of Writing Memory, Gender, and Sexuality," Diss., University of California, Riverside, 2012, eScholarship, https://escholarship.org/uc/item/9s80978x

(3) Suk-Young Kim, Illusive Utopia: Theater, Film, and Everyday Performance in North Korea (Ann Arbor, MI: University of Michigan Press, 2010).

(4) Heonik Kwon and Byung-Ho Chung, North Korea: Beyond Charismatic Politics (Lanham, MD: Rowman and Littlefield, 2012).

(5) Dong-bae Lee, "Portrayals of Non-North Koreans in North Korean Textbooks and the Formation of National Identity," Asian Studies Review, Vol. 34, No. 3, 2010, pp. 349-369, Taylor and Francis Online, http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10357823.2010.507865

(6) Han S. Park, North Korea: The Politics of Unconventional Wisdom (Boulder, CO: Lynne Rienner, 2002).

-- Superfry (talk) 10:55, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

@Superfry: I doubt you're active anymore (if you are than good job), but is this what is meant by the neutrality template at the beginning? Torrent01 (is cool) (talk) 23:15, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Fenix down has a problem with the new lead

Perhaps he'd care to explain it? 134.214.188.161 (talk) 09:44, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

You are the one who needs to explain the proposed changes you want to make, especially as you are removing well-sourced material. Thank you. Lard Almighty (talk) 12:18, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Lardball, but if you or Fenix had any sense you would have recognized my lead as an improvement right away. If you keep asking for an explanation you're only going to further embarrass yourselves. 134.214.188.163 (talk) 09:48, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Meaning of Juche

The first syllable of Juche, "ju", means the man; the second syllable, "che", means body of oneself.

This is not the definition found in the Juche article. Jack Upland (talk) 00:36, 17 August 2023 (UTC)