Talk:Progression of the deadlift world record
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Thor's lift should be in the Wikipedia. Add a controversy section if you believe that is necessary. edit
I understand there is controversy around Thor's lift. Eddie Hall and Hafthor have a long-standing disagreement about it. Some context for those unfamiliar with the situation: The Covid-19 pandemic up-ended Thor's 2020 plans for his 501kg deadlift, and forced him to do it in a closed setting. Thor's 501kg lift is acknowledged by many, possibly the majority of strongman fans, as the world record. This is in part, because Covid-19 cancelled the competition, so the setting made some sense, and also because Hafthor has been dominant on deadlift in many other competitions (e.g. at the Arnolds). However, there are many, including Eddie Hall in particular, who **do not** acknowledge Thor's 501kg as the world record. So, what should be done about this? How should the article be written?
The answer is **not** to remove Thor's lift from Wikipedia. That is misleading. The correct thing for an encyclopedia is to include Thor's lift, but include a note detailing the controversy, and Eddie Hall's disagreement. Outright removing Thor's lift, and comparing it to a lift you did in your own home, is clearly an egregious misunderstanding of what information is useful to people, and why Wikipedia exists. Wikipedia does not exist for you to try to "win" your fight on who is better, Hafthor or Hall. It exists to be encyclopedia of information, and, on the topic of the deadlift world record, Thor's 501kg lift is obviously relevant and important information. A massive number of people view this 501kg lift as the actual world record. Even among those who don't, it is still considered an important lift in the history of deadlift world records. Some people don't think it's the World Record, and that the World record belongs to Eddie Hall. That is a fact that can and should be mentioned. But outright omitting the existence of Thor's lift because you like Eddie Hall's lift more is a deep confusion as to the purpose of this article, and why encyclopedias exist.
Wikipedia exists to provide information to people, not to be a battleground for Thor vs Eddie. This lift is obviously important information in the history of deadlift World Records, **especially** since there is so much disagreement. In fact, it might make sense to have an entire section about the disagreement. Please, instead of outright removing that information, create a section explaining the controversy with sources and citations. That is the right thing to do if you care about encyclopedias. 5.195.220.233 (talk) 09:32, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
Does anyone know what exactly the technical issue is? It clearly illustrated the overlapping of the 3 variations: Strongman, Powerlifting all time and Powerlifting IPF. Nir007H (talk) 13:08, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Dear @Fylindfotberserk and @Revirvlkodlaku, since there's no response from anybody for the past 11 months, could the two of you intervene and help/ advise on how to sort this issue? Many thanks in advance. Nir007H (talk) 06:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Nir007H: Apparently All Graphs broken on Wikimedia wikis (due to security issue T336556). Seems the technical issue haven't been fixed yet. In En Wiki, users have removed those graphs from article I patrol. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:41, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Progression of the RAW record? edit
It's a shame that the first list mixes the equipped and unequipped (raw) records. What makes Benedikt Magnusson's record so impressive is that before him, no one had even lifted more than 440 raw. On openpowerlifting.org it looks like the highest was Andy Bolton at a raw meet in 2010 pulling 437,5. And between Mark Henry's 410 in 1995 and Magnusson's 460 in 2011, only Bolton and Konstantinovs had pulled anything above 420... (the progression should be something like Reinhoudt 390, Henry 410, and then Beni beating his own record twice..!) TheEsb (talk) 16:45, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
- In the meantime, the final 3 sumo records in the list should be specially indicated in 'sumo stance'. Nir007H (talk) 06:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- + Agreed on the fact that the Powerlifting Raw and Equipped records should be clearly differentiated. Have to come up with the most optimum way to show it. Nir007H (talk) 08:09, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TheEsb The issue is now sorted. Nir007H (talk) 03:43, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Missing highest lift edit
Hi, the article is missing world record lift of Oleksii Novikov. Any reason why it’s not there? 2001:14BB:67B:986B:418A:523:D429:B3F8 (talk) 16:29, 10 March 2024 (UTC)