Talk:Pro Volleyball Federation

Latest comment: 2 months ago by Koavf in topic Teams table

Teams table edit

@Koavf: I appreciate you describing the accessibility issues you resolved in your recent edit; I was previously unaware of these. I've produced a table (below) that accommodates MOS:DTAB specifications, and I'd like your input on it first. MOS:FONTSIZE permits text rendered at 85% or higher, so I honestly don't see a problem with rendering it at 95% here, which would render it at the same size as the prose text. Neither MOS:DTAB nor MOS:DTT seem to mandate a specific colour or distinction between data columns, so I used style="background" to paint the "Team" column's data cells the same as the rest of the table's data cells. MOS:TABLECAPTION also permits the use of style="text-align", so I used it to mimic a prose text heading. Would these changes be fine per MOS:ACCESS, or would it run into some other accessibility issues I'm also unaware of?

2024 Pro Volleyball Federation teams
Team Location Venue Seats Joined
Atlanta Vibe Duluth, Georgia Gas South Arena 12,750 2024
Columbus Fury Columbus, Ohio Nationwide Arena 19,500 2024
Grand Rapids Rise Grand Rapids, Michigan Van Andel Arena 11,500 2024
Omaha Supernovas Omaha, Nebraska CHI Health Center Omaha 18,320 2024
Orlando Valkyries Orlando, Florida Addition Financial Arena 9,432 2024
San Diego Mojo San Diego, California Viejas Arena 12,414 2024
Vegas Thrill Henderson, Nevada Dollar Loan Center 6,019 2024

AFC Vixen 🦊 01:58, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Your willingness to collaborate is beautiful and inspiring. I am fine with whatever styling (e.g. the text-align), but for me, I have a hard time reading 85% and sometimes even 90% font-sizes as some days my corneal dystrophy acts up and some days it doesn't. Since I am not someone who has regular (i.e. persistent) accessibility issues, I don't typically do something with my browser to adjust this, and I just struggle thru, so I always try to just change it to 100% unless there are something like 70 columns. As far as my limited understanding of accessibility issues, this matches everything that is required and you have done some wonderful work. Thanks, A--I really appreciate anyone willing to work with me on accessibility issues, as I tend to get very... testy? chippy? defensive? about it, which is not always appropriate. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 04:26, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
I appreciate the kind words and your perspective on the issue, though this is why I wanted it to be set at 95% specifically, not 85% or 90%. For some reason, Wikipedia renders text in wikitables a bit larger than prose text, and a reduction to 95% renders it at the same size as prose text. I figured if you're able to read prose text, you'd be able to read that, too. — AFC Vixen 🦊 16:35, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
That's not what I'm seeing, but I'm not actually measuring it. And in terms of legibility to me in particular, I can read the above table without my eyes watering, yes. Thanks again. If you are motivated to help me with these table semantics issues (MOS:TABLECAPTION, MOS:COLHEADERS, col/row scopes, colors, etc.), then I will be your best friend forever. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 19:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply