Talk:Principality of Theodoro

Is this the last direct desendant of the Roman Empire?

If it is, it should be mentioned elsewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.33.40.151 (talk) 00:48, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes it is, absolutely. On 13 April 1204 CE, when Constantinople was captured by the Crusaders (and the central administration of the Roman Empire was destroyed), the area was a part of the imperial Themata of Cherson. The area continued on as a part of the imperial remnant centered in Trebizond (from which it was administered previously), nominally all the way to 15 August 1461 CE (when Trebizond was captured by the Ottomans). From that day onward the Principality was the last standing imperial remnant all the way to late December 1475 CE, when the Ottomans finally captured Theodoro's citadel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.82.108.34 (talk) 22:32, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Demetrius

Is the identification of "Demetrius, Prince of the Tatars" and Demetrios who fought in the Battle of Blue Waters a generally accepted theory? Historian Laurenţiu Rădvan writes, the former was the ruler of the territory between the Dniester and Prut (Rădvan, Laurenţiu (2010). At Europe's Borders: Medieval Towns in the Romanian Principalities. BRILL. p. 325. ISBN 978-90-04-18010-9.). Borsoka (talk) 03:50, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

The only source provided in the piece seems to indicate that the first named prince of Theodoro was Demetrios. If this a debatable point, go ahead and debate it, or remove the line, but it's not appropriate to put a POV tag here. That's for "when you have identified a serious issue of balance and the lack of a WP:Neutral point of view." This is not a neutrality question. It's valid to remove such a tag when "it is not clear what the neutrality issue is, and no satisfactory explanation has been given." Objections? Flyte35 (talk) 16:56, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Borsoka! As Flyte35 said, this is not an issue of neutrality; Vasiliev was of this opinion, and it clearly warrants mention. It is obvious that this identification is not universally accepted, and hence it is possible that it is incorrect. The proper way to address this is to complement the present text: "While Alexander Vasiliev identified a Demetrios, attested c. 1362/3 at the Battle of Blue Waters, as the first ruler of the principality, other modern scholars, like Laurenţiu Rădvan, have..." Constantine ✍ 12:31, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your remarks. What is the proper template message when a scholarly POV is presented as a fact? Borsoka (talk) 14:08, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

I usually use for statements that are problematic but not outright incorrect. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 15:00, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion. Borsoka (talk) 15:06, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Date of the Ottoman capture of Theodoro in December 1475

The article states that Theodoro was captured by the Ottomans in December 1475 - is the actual date of the citadel's fall known (what day in December 1475)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.82.108.34 (talk) 21:40, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

I can't tell if this was something I had seen years ago or if I'm the one that posted it but either way I got sent down a rabbit hole and after four years of research I have finally gotten as close as I think I can possibly get. End of December. Take that as either the final day or the final week. That is, to my knowledge, the most precise known date. Tealyt (talk) 01:38, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Map

On my screen (HP laptop running Windows with Mozilla), the green on the map is practically the same as the pale blue of the sea, whereas the key has a rich green. I actually had to click on the map to enlarge to find the green, and almost gave up. Is this is rare problem, or do other people have trouble finding the green? If other have this problem, can some-one fix the color on the map? Kdammers (talk) 18:32, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Rump state?

The article claims several times that Theodoro was a rump state of the Eastern Roman Empire, but on no occasion is this cited. Is there any WP:RS that calls it this? Furius (talk) 23:40, 3 August 2023 (UTC)