Talk:Prince Sverre Magnus of Norway

Pre-move name

Note: until the baby's name was announced on the morning of December 5th, this page was located under the placeholder name "HRH Prince of Norway."

This must be a leading nominee for "dumbest name ever for an article." I'd VfD it except that, according to media reports, the whole thing will be settled by tomorrow. Doops | talk 23:26, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree, not a great name, but by tomorrow it will be moved to the child's name. Prsgoddess187 01:41, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

I have listed the painful old name at Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion. Doops | talk 10:56, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

The worst thing about this norwegian Prince's name is that his family does not use Sverre at all. He is Magnus! Of course you know his sister is never called Alexandra. She is Ingrid. Vupti 22:34, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Templates

Do we really need both templates on this page? It seems that the article gets lost in between all of the templates. Prsgoddess187 12:53, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Royal Style.

Why was Prince Sverre denied the style of royal highness? As male-line descendant he would normally be entitled to this style.

I think it was for one or both of two reasons: To downgrade the size of the royal family, which is pretty lame in my opinion, since the only Royal Highnesses in the family are his parents and older sister, and once his parents become king and queen, it will only be his sister; and to make his half-brother feel more on par with his siblings, which is also equally stupid, because Sverre is still a Prince, while Marius is not, and Ingrid will still be Queen. Morhange 15:02, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

How would one address Prince Sverre verbally. Normally it would 'Your Royal Highness' but since he has not have this style I'm not would appropriate verbal address would be.

Perhaps they just call him 'Sir'? That's an interesting question... Morhange 23:21, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Is Prince Sverre entitled to style of highness when abroad like his aunts Princess Astrid and Princess Ragnild ?

Nope. Both of his great-aunts, and his aunt Martha Louise, for that matter, were styled Royal Highness at birth, and were downgraded to Highness after their marriages to commoners. Sverre Magnus didn't get the style of Royal Highness at birth, so he isn't even entitled to use Highness abroad. He's just Prince Sverre Magnus. Morhange 16:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

That is wrong... He is legally also HH Prince Sverre Magnus of Denmark as the Norwegian Royal Family never renounced their Danish titles and styles, nor did they have them revoked. They simply didn't use them. The use of HH outside of Norway may be related to this, and according to the Norwegian royal house's website, Sverre Magnus is styled HH. Charles 15:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I expect when his father becomes HM King Haakon VIII of Norway, he will change his son's style and title to HRH Prince Sverre Magnus of Norway.

I don't think he will. Why would they have gone to the trouble of giving him a lower style and having to explain that repeatedly if the Crown Prince planned to upgrade him some day? Ariadne55 (talk) 03:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

It's "easier" to upgrade someone than to downgrade them. Charles 04:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

That's part of why I don't think he'll be upgraded to HRH, since he'd then have to be downgraded again when he got a job. Ariadne55 (talk) 07:51, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Is there a law saying he would have to be? Charles

Highness aboard

His great aunt and aunt were downgraded to highness due there marriages to commoner. Why are only allowed to use the style when aboard and not in Norway. I can't seem to work that out. Any advise ?

What do you think the odds are for Sverre receiving the style of Royal Highness once Haakon becomes King? Prsgoddess187 17:03, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Both Prince Sverre and Princess Märtha are entitled to use HH when abroad. Please see: http://www.kongehuset.no/c28433/seksjonstekst_person/vis.html?tid=28780 and http://www.kongehuset.no/c27273/seksjonstekst_person/vis.html?tid=28744 Inge 13:12, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Why are allowed use the style of highness aboard BUT NOT in Norway. Its seems strangle to disallowed the style in the own country but allow them to use in other countries ?

Well I think there is a general reluctance to introduce new styles and traditions in the Norwegian Royal House and society in general. Norway is a small and open society with a very flat social structure. The style HH has never been used in Norway, and I think the Royal House might fear that they could be critisised for introducing new "titles" by the media. My opinion is that I don't think it would have caused any big controversy. On the upside the title Prince is and should be good enough on its own. In a country with two princes, five princesses and no nobles there really is no need to diversify. In an international royal setting protocol and practice demands that they have some form of prefixes so people know what rank of prince they are and how to adress them among serene, royal and imperial princes. In Norway adressing the prince by using only "prince" or "the prince" is natural. Sir is not used in Norway and has no translation. When it comes to why he wasn't given HRH right away I think it stems from the experiences with Märtha as she wanted to have a more independant role. It was convenient to reduce her status in connection with her marriage, but that would be less convenient with a prince. Speculations regarding Marius feeling left out is just for the tabloids and totally irrelevant. Keeping the number of royals down is a factor, but I agree there is no chance of a sudden burst in the number of princes any time soon.

I am more curious as to how the king plans to solve the problem of Sverre's future family. As males and females are equal in the line of succession both pass on their rights of succession in the same way. Then they should also pass on titles according to the same rules. So when Sverre marries will his wife become a princess? If not what last name will his children have? Lykkeborg? The constitution states it is the kings privelege to govern the names and titles of the successors to the throne so we'll just have to wait and see.Inge 13:42, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

His children will probably have their mother's surname. That's the simplest solution and it would follow Martha Louise's example in giving her children the surname Behn. Ariadne55 (talk) 03:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Um, except you're forgetting that children traditionally have the surnames of their father, which is the case with Märtha Louise's daughter. So his children won't probably have their mother's surname, they'll probably have his, whatever that may be. It could be a form of Glücksburg or Oldenburg or it might even be av Norge. Charles 04:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

That tradition is slowly changing in Norway, just as the traditional succession to the throne itself changed. In thirty years or so, when he gets married, it will seem a waste of effort to try to invent a surname for him rather than simply giving the children their mother's existing name. As we've seen with his style, the Norwegian royal family has shown a preference for treating the prince the same way his aunt was treated, so I think they'll follow her precedent in this as well. Ariadne55 (talk) 07:51, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You cannot hypothesize on something which precedent thus far says won't happen. Charles 14:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

The style His/Her Highness used for the prince, his aunt and grandaunts may come from their title Prince/Princess of Denmark (which they never use). Charles 15:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

This issue is entirely up to the personal choice of the monarch. The only reason given for why Sverre is not HRH is that the King wanted to restrict the use of that style to those "directly" in line for the throne and their spouses. By directly I mean in direct line parent to child. So if we imagine Ingrid having a child before King Harald dies her first born would be HRH even if that child would hypothetically have the same rank in the succession as Sverre has now. Any speculation on HH being used because of a Danish remaining right is in my view far fetched. HH is not used in Norway as it never has and might then be construed to be an establishment of a new "title". In Norway the title Prince/Princess is seen as enough to elevate someone to royality. In other countries there might be a need to distinguish between types of princes (and of course a tradition for it) and HH is put more weight on. There it would be strange if a royal turned up at official events without a style. In Norway the title is enough.Inge (talk) 14:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I never said HH was used in Norway... It's a Danish style not used in Norway, but abroad. Charles 15:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Martha-Louise's children would have been surnamed 'Behn' regardless. Children of Royal Princesses do not (usually) take the surname of their mother. Their mother's rank has no bearing on their surname. The children of Martha Louise's aunts; Astrid and Ragnhild, certainly had their father's surname. Nothing to do with feminism or times changing or any of that.JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk) 10:02, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Image of Prince Sverre Magnus of Norway

Prince Sverre Magnus of Norway is now 16 months old and the image displayed on his page is still from the set of pictures released at the time of his birth. Granted it is adorable! But it would be nice to see a more up to date image of Sverre. There are some various pictures that were released on the family web site(www.kongehuset.no) from this past Christmas that might be a little better. A newer pic showing a growing toddler would be nice to see. Thanks!

Aurora810 20:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

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