Talk:Prester

This link is a copy of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prestor This entry is correct.

Hm... a lot of this backstory smells like fanon to me. Can someone point me to a legitimate backstory website for thsi? If not, I'll delete it. --Pie Boy 23:14, May 25 2006

i think it's from the artbooks.. but not sure. does anyone know if there's any artbook translated? i have them, but they're all in japanese and i don't know how to read japanese. and before you ask, yes i like to see pretty drawings.. but regarding guita and alvis, guita was too old to be her mother. grandmother perhaps. she was the nurse though. dunno

I have a friend who speaks Japanese and was kind enough to translate the artbooks for me, and also got to take part in a web interview with a few of the creators at GONZO, and she told me what she was able to learn about the backstory. I used that info, plus the stuff we learned in the actual series, as my source for the backstory article. Just about anyone who speaks enough Japanese to navigate Japanese websites and read the artbooks can confirm almost everything in the backstory. The part about Guita being Alvis' mother (which she wasn't) was written in by someone else after I wrote the backstory, and I have just now changed it properly. Sylocat 23:03, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Delphine and Exile

"But Maestro Delphine, who found the idea of a war very amusing, decided to step in. Once the vanships were into the Grand Stream, she used Exile's weather controller to suddenly redirect the air flow and sweep the vanships up in the current. Hamilcar, George and Euris were killed, but Alex Row managed to escape."

When was it actually mentioned that Delphine has control of Exile? If she had control why did she need Alvis to release it? What I got from the series was th atClaus' and Lavie's fathers, Alex and Euris failed to cross the Grand Stream because their vanships failed to hold up to the strong winds. Delphine was watching them from her own ship, not controlling Exile. I'm not sure if this is corrent info or is it just pure speculation. If so, then it should be noted as a theory. --Rumpelstiltzkin 19:39, June 12 2006

• Their vanships were shown to be knocked about by the "tail"-like appendages on Delphine's ship, though, so she did have some active role in their demise. 202.70.148.45 09:47, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
  • She might have an active role in their demise, but she didn't do it using Exile. She did it with the "Tail-like" appendages on her own ship. There's no proof that she has control of Exile. Glad that part of taken out of the main article though. Rumpelstiltzkin 23:16, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Guita

They learned that Guita had a daughter, the new Key to Exile ...Huh? Guita was Alvis's nurse, not her mother. This really needs some rewriting. --Pie Boy 23:47, 21 June 2006

• Beside all this, the article seems to be about the fictional world in general. There is no place for all these (perhaps imagined) backstory details. If anything the article ought to describe only the nature of the world itself, and brief descriptions of the peoples who live there. Stories about individual characters, or plot elements that do not relate directly to the world itself should perhaps be moved to the main Last Exile article, if they can be verified at all with any documented sources... KrisWood 02:45, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
  • If the backstory doesn't belong here, where does it belong? The backstory details are things that happened in the history of this fictional world, not stuff that happened in the series or in the backstories of any one character. Sylocat 23:03, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Perhaps, but it must be documented somewhere and properly cited to belong on wikipedia. If this backstory is imagined by the person who added it to WP, and not backed up by verifyable facts, it certainly does not belong here. KrisWood 18:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Referencing

I think this page is good in that it contains some useful backstory on the world that doesn't fit in with typical "plot" or "characters" section on the regular page. It is quite well written & I found it an enjoyable read.

I do agree that I have no idea where this stuff comes from. It is compatible with the primary source (i.e. the OVA), but some of the "facts" definitely do not come from the OVA. I'm not saying they're wrong or that the page should be deleted (actually I'd object to that), but if anyone can identify sources (e.g. the graphic novels?) or even any online content with backstory, that would better fulfil WP:ATT. Dr Aaron 14:59, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I just finished watching the 26-episode series and found this page to be an excellent explanation of WTH I just saw. I can understand Japanese and this wp page in its present form explained Prester quite well -- with no obvious, clanging discrepancies or logic leaps from the OVA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.135.108.8 (talk • contribs)

I agree that the current pages makes logical sense. However, I still think that the series is sufficiently vague on several issues (particularly in the history of the Maestro as well as how the Guild controls the weather and their historical role). It seems like much of this page has been drawn from translations of Spheres or the Aerial Log (whihc are in Japanese). If this is the case, then someone who has read the books should introduce the appropriate referencing so the "referencing" tags can be removed. Dr Aaron 11:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Although I agree that the current page is helpful and makes a certain amount of sense, some of it conflicts with my interpretation of the background after watching the anime. One example: Prester makes much more sense as an artificial habitat, an advanced/fanciful extension of the O'Neill cylinder concept. "Last exile in a bottle" almost literally. Which view is correct, my own or the one presented on the page? Without verifiable references there's no way to know for sure. Unfortunately I know of no such references to add. Dellaster 19:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Wary of deletion

• This page has been tagged as 'unreferenced' since November 2006 and has also been tagged for style. As it currently stands it needs a fair bit of work to turn it into a useful article to all but the most committed of fans. Please take the time to find quality 3rd party sources to attach to the considerable detail in the article or else you will find it is nominated for deletion, where other editors may not be as sympathetic!Dick G 09:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

One month on and this article has had no references added or any input to suggest it is not original research or that the content is in any way verifiable. Added tag to prompt review of article alongside WP:OR.Dick G 02:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)