Talk:Positions (album)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2020

Her album cover is confirmed HealthyHufflepuff (talk) 16:12, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

The page is a redirect, and is wholly unconfirmed. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 16:24, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Hayman30 (talk) 16:44, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Status

@HeyitsBen: We need more than a tweet from Ari saying she is going to release an album before we should have a standalone Wikipedia article. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:49, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Agreed, even though news sources have covered this, it doesn’t make sense to have its own article. It has a release month, not even a date. No title, no album cover, no songs/singles. It just doesn’t make sense. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 14:53, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Another Believer Doggy54321, you both make fair points. Let's just hope that when more info is available, someone doesn't make a brand new article oblivious of this page with an existing history and talk page etc. HeyitsBen ^talk 15:48, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

@HeyitsBen: agreed! D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 16:23, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Doggy54321 Another Believer, .... lol so now it happened at Positions (album) 🙃 HeyitsBen ^talk 08:21, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm comfortable keeping the article at this point. No sense in redirecting. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:14, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

@HeyitsBen: The Clash Magazine reference on this page seems to take the review out of context, "and" should be used instead of "but"... the reviewer enjoys the album. ---Benb95 _(Talk) 10:54, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Songs

I dont think Positions and Nasty are reliably sourced (the songs, not the album). Sources for both say that Grande pretty much confirmed them, pretty much =/= definitely. Also, the source for positions says that they know this because Grande posted a countdown clock. I- last I checked, it wasn’t confirmed by her. The countdown clock says nothing but two clocks and a word. If Grande posts a cryptic picture alluding to the fact she’s married, and a source states "I know she is married because she posted a cryptic picture", how is that reliable???? D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 22:20, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

With that logic, the album Positions isn't even confirmed since it's "just a countdown" despite numerous sources saying those are the release dates for the single and album.--71.234.178.78 (talk) 22:24, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

I mean... yeah. The album isn't 100% confirmed so it's fully possible that "Positions" could be a video album, live album, EP, or something completely different. The decision to create this article was kind of rash and premature in my opinion. But people wouldn't stop making it if wasn't here.Gagaluv1 (talk) 22:27, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Ok so let’s delete the article. It’s not sourced. Also, to the IP: if you revert my edit one more time, you have broken the 3RR and I will be reporting you to WP:ANEW, making sure to not get myself blocked as well. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 22:28, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

It's already confirmed somewhere that this album is "AG6" meaning her sixth studio album, so that's not really a valid argument. Also, the threats are making you look immature Doggo.71.234.178.78 (talk) 22:42, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Please see my enormous edit summary, and maybe stick with Doggy/Doggy54321 if you’re referring to me. That should clear up everything. Also: please consider letting me post on your talk page again as to keep future squabbles out of the public. It makes you look immature when you’re reverting my attempts to reach out to you. Thanks! D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 22:47, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Doggo, respect my decision to not allow problematic users like you edit my talk page. Thanks! 71.234.178.78 (talk) 22:49, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

I’m usually not problematic, please WP:Assume good faith. It was just a suggestion to let us collaborate more efficiently. Side note: if I’m respecting your decision to not let me post on your talk page (unless I have to), please respect me and call me "Doggy54321" or "Doggy" if five digits are too much. Also: you never made it clear that I wasn’t allowed to post on your talk page. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 23:01, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

One in a million sample

Why is one in a million listed on west side, when that is not mentioned at all in the credits, nor the official cd booklet Iknowalot17 (talk) 14:18, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Agreed, there are multiple occasions where critics or reliable sources say that "X sounds like it samples Y" but the album credits do not support this. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 11:32, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Iknowalot17 and Lil-unique1: from the source: "west side" cleverly (and respectfully) samples Aaliyah's "One In A Million." So I think we should keep it, because the source says that it’s a sample, not that it sounds like a sample. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 12:00, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

However its not in the album booklet which is nearly always the definitive source. Just because Idolator is a fairly reliable source doesn't mean the information is true if it can't be verified. If "West Side" sampled "One in A Million", the writers of the latter would be included in the credits too. It would be better discussed in the songs section e.g. "Although Idolator said that "West Side" samples "One in A Million", there was no official credits given in the album booklet.". The same thing happened with "Upside Funk" several years ago where initially there was no sample but multiple outlets said it sampled Marvin Gaye and eventually it ended up in court. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 12:26, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

True. Do you wanna add this to the notes section? D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 12:46, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Genre

There was a dispute over which genre should be mentioned as a genre in the article's infobox and the beginning of the article. I personally think R&B should be the only one mentioned there, as long as trap-pop is only sourced by one source (Slant Magazine), which more precisely says "Positions, however, rely on the same midtempo trap-pop that populated Grande’s previous two efforts". Even if so, two previous albums, Thank U, Next and Sweetener have been described in their articles as pop / R&B / trap and not exactly pop-trap. Other sources, such as review from Clash, mention R&B as its primary genre. In Clash review, Positions is noted for the singer's final shift towards R&B music.

Which genre(s) should we use? —Lukas (talk page) 19:14, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

I think both genres can go together. The source is reliable. btw Consequence of Sound called it a pop album "...Is a 2020 Pop Fairytale". Cornerstonepicker (talk) 21:35, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Just because one genre has more citations doesn't mean the other one should be ignored. An album can be multiple genres. So I say, we retain both. R&B shall be the first genre, trap-pop be the second genre. BawinV (talk) 05:44, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I agree the album has more genres. If we want to keep more genres mentioned as primary (and I believe those should be consensual, verified by more than only one source if we have a chance to take such genres), then I suggest we should rather use R&B / pop / trap. As said above, the album has been also described as "2020 Pop Fairytale", while the trap element in the album has been mentioned too, in Slant review, as well as reviews for the lead single. Could we agree on that? Lukas (talk page) 12:56, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Maybe R&B / Pop / Trap-pop, as the source for trap-pop states that its trap-pop. We could also just to the R&B / Pop / Trap thing, either would work, both are sourced. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 13:06, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Yep, seems fair. R&B / Pop / Trap sounds right. BawinV (talk) 14:30, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Alright then, I think a consensus has been formed. I'll change it to "R&B / Pop / Trap". BawinV (talk) 14:32, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 14:52, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

"POV"

• https://pitchfork.com/reviews/tracks/ariana-grande-pov/
• https://www.vulture.com/2020/10/song-review-ariana-grande-pov-lyrics.html
• https://www.elle.com/culture/music/a34532850/ariana-grande-pov-lyrics-dalton-gomez-meaning/

---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:47, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

• "arguably the flat-out best" track on the album according to Billboard (https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/9475738/ariana-grande-positions-songs-ranked-critics-picks)

HeyitsBen ^talk 11:00, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

"34+35"

@Lil-unique1: Please check the sources in the "Singles" section. Both sources referred to "34+35" as a single on the day it was released. It's a single released alongside the album on October 30, 2020. The lack of "separate digital download or stream" or "mention of it as an instant download" doesn't mean wasn't released as a single on that day, that's your personal opinion. Hayman30 (talk) 17:33, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Also - even if two sources isn't enough, the first radio airplay date was October 30 (Australian radio), so it would be that date either way. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 17:38, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Hayman30 thanks for the ping/tag. It's not an opinion, its fact. In the digital ear, album tracks are available to stream/download. What makes them different from singles is that the latter are promoted or receive an independent release/promotion from the album. The source from Capital FM calling the song a single isn't a release date. A radio add, impact date (when a song is promoted to a certain date and multiple sources specifically say it was released on a set date) or independent release like music video, CD, digital download/stream separate from the album counts as a release date. Sounds like it was added to Australian radio on the 30th so debate doesn't matter now but there's a massive difference to being called a single and only being released as an album track versus a specific promotional mechanism. Media sources etc, often call things songs, singles, releases and tracks interchangeably otherwise anyone could argue an album track is a single and every song on an album would be "released as a single" by that logic. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 19:10, 1 November 2020 (UTC)`

@Lil-unique1: Sorry to you to tell you the truth, but it's not fact. Just because a song isn't available for download seperately doesn't mean it's not a single. For instance, even after "34+35" gets sent to US pop radio, it won't be available for download separately, so does that mean it's not a single? What makes them different from singles is that the latter are promoted or receive an independent release/promotion from the album. – again, that's an opinion, not fact, or a policy/guideline on Wikipedia. Whether a song is a single is not subject to your personal assessment, but is instead based on reliable sources. In this case, two independent reliable sources called it a single on October 30. A radio add, impact date or independent release like music video, CD, digital download/stream separate from the album counts as a release date. – yeah, thanks for listing out all the items you personally consider a single to have, but I'm not really interested, I've heard those numerous times already. A song does not need to have any of these items in order to "qualify" as a single if a source already calls it a single. Media sources etc, often call things songs, singles, releases and tracks interchangeably – disagree, please show proof. You seem to be questioning the reliability of sources and suggesting that we should interpret sources differently based on our own opinion. Hayman30 (talk) 19:30, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

I don't really have a stake in this, but you are misunderstanding the point Hayman30. A radio release is one form of single release, but so is being released independent from the album. The definition of a single is "a song that is released separately from an album". A radio release is a release seperate from an album, but if a song hasn't been sent to radio and is only available to stream or purchase as part of an album, in what world is that a single?Gagaluv1 (talk) 19:47, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

@Gagaluv1: I'm not disputing that a song is a single if it's sent to the radio, but Lil-unique1 is suggesting that a song cannot possibly be a single if it hasn't been sent to radio yet (or meets the arbitrary criteria he has laid out above), even if reliable sources explicitly call it a single. That's obviously false. You can't immediately dismiss and throw away all those sources just because the song was not "released separately from an album". Hayman30 (talk) 20:00, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

In my editing experience, the consensus seems to be that yes, for a mainstream artist like Ariana her songs aren’t singles if they haven’t been released to radio (or as a physical single, though that’s less common these days). For an Ariana example, see Imagine. For indie artists that don’t get radio play there’s more leeway there.Gagaluv1 (talk) 22:24, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Hayman30 thanks for taking the time to reply. I'd politely ask you to town down your attitude and stop being confrontational. You don't need to tell me what is fact or not - you need need to assume good faith. Saying things like "I'm not really interested" when you've started the discussion is rude. I've been editing on Wikipedia for almost a decade and have worked on tonnes of Good Articles, no offence but I do have an idea what I am talking about and can say from experience you have to apply some sense of logic too otherwise we end up in the realms of WP:SYNTHESIS and WP:OR. We can discuss things collegially but there are no need for comments like "I'm not interested" they're unhelpful and uncollegial. The article belongs to the community and when more than one person is in disagreement with you then you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss things. Sources can be wrong and have proven to be wrong. There are tonnes of occasions where songs have been called singles, songs and tracks interchangeably. By nature of what it is an album is a collection of songs promoted as a single body of work, while singles are discreet releases of usually 1-2 songs that are released and promoted as a discreet body of work usually in support of an album or tour etc. No one is in debate of that. If you actually ready what I said, the difference between a song and a single is the independent release part. It doesn't have to be all of the things listed but it is should at least have some confirmation from the artist, especially if if it doesn't have a release independent of the album e.g. separate single listing at radio/retail etc. If a source came out tomorrow and said oranges were blue we wouldn't reference that and say its true. It's called common sense. If you didn'tAnyway the argument is null and void now because its been referenced that it was sent to radio in Australia anyway. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 23:10, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

But what if oranges really were blue and it was a GMO thing? You can’t just deny reliable sources. You would need other reliable sources calling it something different. If Billboard said Grande and Taylor Swift were collaborating, we wouldn’t deny that because Billboard has been proven to be reliable. Instead, we would ask for more sources confirming the statement or take it to the talk page. If Rolling Stone and US Weekly both said the collab wasn’t happening, we would go with majority, since it’s 2 over 1. So you can’t really just deny sources out of the blue, you need to take it on a case by case basis. And I don’t get why this talk has been this popular, the song was released as a single on October 30 because sources stated it was a single on that date, and there was a radio impact on that date. Case closed.

I feel like we need to come to a consensus on what makes a single a single, because there has been so much confusion. I’ve been heavily involved in editing song/album articles for the past five months and every week there’s a new debate on whether something is a single or not. I think we should go by the sources, if a song impacts radio or has a music video, it’s pretty much automatically a single, per comments made by Lil-unique1 in the past, which I agree with. If multiple reliable sources call it a single, then it’s also a single. Everyone also please remember to AGF, if you’re gonna comment, make it kind or don’t comment. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 01:30, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Doggy54321 there's been numerous attempts to define things before and it's never proven easy. It's a case of looking at each complex case as it stands. If a song has been called a single that's one thing but something needs to happen to make it a single. I.e. confirmation from the label or an independent release otherwise if a RS called it a single when it wasn't then we'd be stuck. I agree though, comments above on both sides were a bit heated. Anyway, no longer an issue for 34+35 as it was released to AUS radio anyway ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 10:08, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

@Lil-unique1: ok cool. Thanks! D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 12:20, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

"Shut Up (Ariana Grande song)" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Shut Up (Ariana Grande song). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 1#Shut Up (Ariana Grande song) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 19:24, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Billboard 200 Female Albums in 2020

In the Commercial performance section, it says that Positions is the third female album to reach number one at the Billboard 200 in 2020, following Rare (Selena Gomez) and Chromatica (Lady Gaga). However, Positions would be the fourth since Folklore by Taylor Swift also reached number one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RColombo96 (talk • contribs) 20:48, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

 Done by Revivaloutsold. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 22:02, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

My Hair (Ariana Grande song)

There seems to be an issue with the release status of this song; either being a single or a promotional single. My reasoning that "My Hair" is a promotional single is that Lipa has stated this herself, announcing in advance in an interview that the song would not be a single. She reiterated this on her social media after its release, explicitly stating that the song "isn't a single" when providing the reason for the lack of a music video for the song. (I provided the sources for these on the article itself). The song is also not being promoted through her website, as was the case with the album's first single and sixth studio album, "Positions". It is also not being referred to as a single by the record company itself, Warner, with its statements simply stating that it is a "release" or "title track". The only reasoning that I can see for the song being an official single is that it was serviced to radio, and publications seemingly refer to it as such. However, as per advice on WP:PROMOSINGLE, and the fact that a promotional single is defined as a song that is made available to radio stations [...] to promote a commercial single, I think that the idea that a song's airplay / service to radio makes it not a promotional single seems to be untrue.

Looks like Ariana Grande did confirm that it is not a single. I am changing my mind on this one because I was unaware of her confirming that. I have heard from multiple editors saying that WP:Promotional singles is flawed and inaccurate, so I tend not to use that. Den Zhmailik42812 (talk) 17:21, December 5, 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.56.245.136 (talk)

First off, you're evading a block, which is not going to help you at all. Second of all, I don't why "Lipa" is relevant here, we're on an article about an album by Ariana Grande. Thirdly, your "reasoning" is irrelevant here–this is not a forum, we're not here to debate whether the song is a single or a promotional single based on our own observations and research. There's no source claiming it to be either one of those things, therefore it's just a song, at least for now, so you're really just typing this wall of text for nothing. And as you have pointed out yourself, WP:PROMOSINGLE should not provide any sort of worthwhile advice–it's merely an old essay that does not accurately reflect community consensus, and hence shouldn't be used for guidance or cited in content discussions. Hayman30 (talk) 17:42, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Removed comment. Zhmailik is known for creating hoaxes and therefore should not be considered as a trustable editor if they don't include reliable sources. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 18:27, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Change the writers please/put apart writers/composers

The whole list of writers needs to be change, composers and lyricists go on the same credits, the label put them together since composing is part of the writing process, but the song wasnt written by those 6 people, the song was written only by Ariana Grande and Nija Charles, Ariana herself confirmed it on instagram, what happens is that this problem will always exists because labels does that, they give writing credits to composers, so in every credit page you'll go, this will always appear cause they get the credits from the label, same as she confirmed in the zach sang interview that "POV" was only written by her and Tayla Parx and "Off The Table" was only written by her and The Weeknd(Abel) real writers of every song

1 - Shut Up - Ariana Grande/Tayla Parx/Michael Foster

2 - 34+35 - Ariana Grande/Scott Nicholson/Tayla Parx/Victoria Monet

3 - Motive - Ariana Grande/Victoria Monet/Nija Charles/Doja Cat

4 - Just Like Magic - Ariana Grande/Priscila Hamilton

5 - Off The Table - Ariana Grande/Abel Testaye

6 - Six Thirty - Ariana Grande/Priscila Hamilton

7 - Safety Net - Ariana Grande/ Ty Dolla Sign/Leo Thomas

8 - My Hair - Ariana Grande/Victoria Monet/Tayla Parx

9 - Nasty - Ariana Grande/Victoria Monet

10 - West Side - Ariana Grande/Victoria Monet

11- Love Language - Ariana Grande/Victoria Monet/Tayla Parx/Kam Parker

12 - Positions - Ariana Grande/Nija Charles

1 3 - Obvious - Ariana Grande/Ryan Tedder/Nija Charles

13 - POV - Ariana Grande/Tayla Parx Moonlight Entm (talk) 02:48, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Please provide sources for your claims. Currently, the article goes off of credits by Tidal. If you can provide a more reliable source, then you can change it. But for now, your claims are unsourced. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 16:51, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

That's the problem, it won't appear cause every page gets credits from the labels, and sadly they put writers and composers together, for example ariana said it on her zach sang show interview Moonlight Entm (talk) 17:13, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

If you check the CD booklet, the songwriters listed in the liner notes are consistent with what is listed on Tidal and hence on this article. What you're probably referring to is "lyrics and melodies", which is separated from the normal songwriter credits on physical releases, for whatever reason. I've already tweaked the "Credit and personnel" sections on the songs' individual pages to reflect this, but I don't think that would be necessary on the album article, because it would probably create a lot of clutter. Hayman30 (talk) 07:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

If you check the booklet the credits are different than tidal cause in digital platforms producers amd composers gets songwriting credits, "lyrics and melodies" means the people who wrote and composed the song, ariana appears alone in 2 songs because she did it all by herself and just when other people are with her means that they could have helped with the melodies, we do not know if they wrote a letter, you can see that a lot of the supposed writers in the tidal credits are not in that segment cause they did not write nothing, producers gets songwriting credits, tayla parx long time writng collaborator of ariana already explained on instagram that is a new law and she clarified that ariana wrote all the lyrics and melodies in main thing, i have the screenshoots, where can i send them to you? Moonlight Entm (talk) 22:23, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

In the positions booklet you can clearly see that all of those writers are not listed so the editing is wrong and misleading Moonlight Entm (talk) 15:45, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

oh i saw you changed so sorry Moonlight Entm (talk) 15:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Composition

If you look at the "Composition" or "Music and lyrics" sections of Ariana's last few albums (Dangerous Woman, Sweetener & thank u, next), you'll find that all of the genres, subgenres and lyrical content of the entire tracklist have been updated with sources. We should do this with "Positions"... We have to start working on it so the readers have a better idea of each of the songs' sonic direction. In her interview with Zach Sang, she talked about all of the tracks on the album, and their meaning. Blowscalls (talk) 23:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Sure! If you wanna start something, go right ahead! Just make sure everything is verified and is backed up by reliable sources. Thanks! D🎅ggy54321 ^(ho-ho-ho) 00:15, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Lyrical content

"On the album, Grande discusses topics of sex and romance after tragedy, as well as the process of falling in love again." <—— Blowscalls (talk) 05:50, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Genre (again)

I noticed there is a notable conflict between the consensus we have reached before (genre ordered as R&B / pop / trap), and usage or R&B / trap-pop. I have been reverting the changes, however, I think there should be a consensus if it is unclear. I prefer the order we have reached before (R&B / pop / trap). The reviewers have mentioned R&B as a primary genre of the album in quite a lot of cases, the album has been described as a final arrival to R&B style. Other sources have also said the album expands the sound of her two previous albums, Sweetener and Thank U, Next, which has been described as trap-pop by one genre we have collected. However, the articles here at Wikipedia mention pop / R&B / trap for her previous albums according to the sources it has received, not trap-pop / R&B. Which option should we rather use? -Lukas (talk page) 10:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Two reviews call it "trap-pop" (a genre we don't have a Wikipedia article for) which is obviously a fusion genre of pop and trap. few other reviews call it pop. I think "R&B / pop / trap" would be best since "trap-pop" doesn't have an article. However, I'd be fine with "R&B / trap-pop" too; it's not like a big difference anyway. BawinV (talk) 10:11, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

I reverted the change on the suggestion that "there is a consensus" - there wasn't. There was some discussion but nothing concrete. What is described as "other albums having X" is WP:Synthesis of what has been written. Trap-pop isn't an article - Bawvin is correct. However the hyphenated two genres trap-pop suggests an interrelationship between the two genres i.e. trap-styled pop. There is a difference between an album being called trap-pop and then trap and pop separately. I'm inclined to go with what the sources say specifically regarding Positions and not interpreting what the sources are inferring about an extension of how the previous albums are described. See WP:EXPLICITGENRES. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 17:06, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. No review listed the album as "trap" individually. So "trap-pop" be appropriate. Thanks. BawinV (talk) 11:19, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

• Too many of the songs on Positions, however, rely on the same midtempo trap-pop that populated Grande's previous two efforts, particularly Thank U, Next. – the article is saying that many of the songs on the album is relying on trap-pop, not that the entire album is trap-pop. WP:EXPLICITGENRES states that the genre must be attributed to the album as a whole. Pining ShakalFunxny, BawinV, Lil-unique1, Doggy54321 and Cornerstonepicker. Hayman30 (talk) 12:42, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

• That is one of the reasons why I initially suggested the album should be described as primarily R&B, as mentioned by
  • The Irish Times (big orgy of breathless R&B songs)
  • Clash (Pop’s biggest voice eschews standout pop hits while positioning herself further as an R&B mainstay...)
  • NME (washy R&B melodies)
  • The Independent (This is a record firmly in her vibey R&B wheelhouse.)
  • Rolling Stone (The pop superstar’s latest is full of horny R&B slow jams rooted in a desire to express real intimacy.)
  • Slate (The tightly constructed 14-song collection calls back to the mixture of R&B and old-school balladry that’s been closest to the virtuosic 27-year-old singer’s heart ever since her 2013 debut album, Yours Truly.)
  • The Fader (but working almost entirely in conversational, low-key R&B seems to preclude her from replicating any of the truly show-stopping vocal work from past albums.).
  • Spin (Ariana Grande Delivers Sultry Yet Forgettable R&B on Positions)

Some sources describe the album as pop, such as Consequence of Sound (Ariana Grande’s Positions Is a 2020 Pop Fairytale), AllMusic (Styles: pop / dance-pop). Vulture talks about its trap element as The Disney trap sound peppering Positions posits a jarring new idea, while noting that the magic of Positions is the ability to fold different genres into compact hybrids, later talking about pop, dance music, R&B, and hip-hop. Trap-pop is mentioned in one source only (if I read them all correctly), in the Slant review. However, the review actually says "too many of the songs", not the whole album. --Lukas (talk page) 13:41, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

• Just noticed BawinV changed the genre to R&B / pop. Since most of the sources call the album either R&B, or pop, or both, I guess this is the most suitable solution. Trap-pop is only mentioned by one source, as well as "trap sound", and I suppose we should rather use genres supported by multiple sources if possible, and mention others as elements or influences within "Composition". I propose this to be mentioned as the primary direction of the album in the article. I'll be glad if others express their approval or another alternative, so we reach a solid consensus and prevent further disputes. (pining Lil-unique1, Doggy54321, Cornerstonepicker, Hayman30) --Lukas (talk page) 14:11, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
  • @ShakalFunxny: While I don’t have a strong opinion on this, R&B/pop seem to be the only two prominent genres in sources, so I'm fine with R&B/pop. Considering trap-pop was only mentioned by one-two sources, I’d say it doesn’t warrant inclusion. Thanks! D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 15:55, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Italy certification

I saw online that the album is certified as Gold in Italy for shipments of 25,000 units in the country. I can't find the certification on FIMI's site, can you guys check to see if its on the website since I was confused on how to use it and you probably have more experience than me. Blowscalls (talk) 08:39, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

"Untitled sixth Ariana Grande studio album" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2021

POV was released as a single not April 19th but March 22! It was send there to pop radio ! Please change that. Nick.sapia (talk) 10:06, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:04, 10 May 2021 (UTC)