Talk:Poppy seed

Exciting!

Poppy seeds! I'll help! Drmies (talk) 03:29, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Separate article

Wondering why this isn't a topic that ought to be covered at Poppy, which has a section (subject to improvement to be sure) on culinary uses of the seed. Bongomatic 05:20, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey Bongo, let the child(ren) play. As soon as he falls asleep, we'll merge the whole thing and send him a plaque with the word "REDIRECT" on it. Drmies (talk) 05:42, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Poppy seed is a very complex and important topic. A history all the way back to the Sumerians, or so I'm told. But a merge of apfelstrudel with all the other strudels is needed ASAP. Thanks for asking. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:34, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Buns and pastries

Buns and different white bread.style soft pastries are often sprinkled on top with poppy seeds, actually all over Europe (like Cozonac). Poppy seeds can also be used like sesame seeds, making a kind of candy bar, the seeds beeing warmed (slightly boiled) with sugar or with honey, at least in the Austro-Hungarian cuisines. Warrington (talk) 23:59, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually kalacs with the spelling given, and beigli are not Jewish cuisine -they are Hungarian. (The words are Slavic in origin.) Not very important, but for accuracy it might be considered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.222.76.44 (talk) 12:32, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Moon goddess

Added some information about the mythology of the poppy seeds and how the German name is conected to the Moon goddess. I thougt the first section was pretty long, so I went for the baked goods section instead. But maybe this should be added to the lead, to clarify the picture with the German text clearly visible on the jars, Blaumohn, Graumohn... But unfortunately this was the only picture I could find with poppy seeds.

I also added some clarification about the fillings in some pastrries.

The references looks like they look, but maybe Drmies can make them look better, like he did with the other ones. Cheers.

One more thing, poppy seeds in Europe are not at all expensive, especially in theose countries which are baking regularely these pastries (Austria, Germany, Slovenia, Hungary, Greece, Romania). They are sold in 500 gram pakages and are quite affordable in price. Warrington (talk) 11:49, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Lunatics mixing up „Mohn“ with „moon“?

To goddess Diana and her worshippers: No offence... ... but the German word for „moon“ is „Mond“; German for „poppy“ or „poppy seed“ is „Mohn“. The etymology of „Mohn“ is not quite clear, but a connection with „moon“/"Mond" can be dismissed as a false etymology (see related articles on wiktionary or in any etymological dictionary that you trust...). Thus, I would suggest changes in two paragraphs: „world production – paste“: „In the countries belonging to the former Austro-Hungarian Empire, poppy seed pastries called Mondkuchen are popular. These pastries predate Christianity; the poppy was dedicated to Diana, the goddess of the moon.[11] In German, the seeds are still called mohn, "moon seeds."“ It's „Mohnkuchen“ (and, for that matter, „Mohnbrötchen“, „Mohnstriezel“, „Mohnbuchtel“ and so on). And, as I wrote, „Mohn“ means „poppy (seeds)“, not „moon seeds“. - (Besides, I never heard about moon OR poppy cakes around christmas time.) „Jewish cuisine“: „This filling is referred to as "munn," a Yiddish variation on the German word for moon.“ Again, „Munn“ is most likely from „Mohn“.

(...dwelling on happy childhood memorys full of Silesian poppyseed cake...) -- 178.6.47.39 (talk) 13:38, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Merge

Why not merge poppy seed with opium poppy as a subsection. An poppy seed comes from an opium poppy and both article have an ostenseively same sections dealing with food. --RossF18 (talk) 06:18, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I think merging the poppy seed content to that article makes sense and leaving a disambiguation link for that section. I think there's enough distinct content to support a separate article. But maybe I'm wrong. ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Oppose. One article is about the botanical plant and the other one is about dishes which use poppy seed, a quite big one too. That article will be developed further and will be expanded much more, at the monent is not complete. Merging it into this article will stop its further expansion.

And this article will be to long. Most articles about plants only mention briefly the culinary use, they can not go into detais like a other article about dishes. Warrington (talk) 14:39, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I guess I'm a bit confused, but given that poppy seed comes from opium poppy, shouldn't at least some merge takes place. And if you check the food section of the poppy seed article and the food section of this article, aside from the few extra paragraphs in the poppy seed article, the two sections are identical to opium poppy's food section. And the article's title is not "Food dishes derived from opium poppy." It's just called "Poppy seed" so I don't think you can just claim that "One article is about the botanical plant and the other one is about dishes which use poppy seed." If it's truly about the food only, the "FOOD" should figure somehow in the title. And it seems like the Food section in the opium poppy article is the largest section as well. That is unless I'm totally missing something here and opium poppy is in fact different from poppy seed in which case there should be some major changes to the poppy seed article's food section. --RossF18 (talk) 16:21, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

No you are not confused, :) poppy seed comes from opium poppy. Maybe this article shoul be called Poppy seedd and poppy seed dishes or Food dishes derived from opium poppy, or something like that... because it is that what it it is. This article will be expanded more in the future (I also have plans for it, and merging both into one may result i :

Cheers

Warrington (talk) 16:32, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Merge from Poppy

Text from Poppy has been moved here; Talk:Poppy has some discussion relevant to that text. --Una Smith (talk) 04:32, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Is poppy seed safe for gout? Ram Mohan Mitra (talk) 12:00, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

here is a paradox

It is strange how the Czeck Republic produces more poppyseed than all the rest of the world combined. In 1984, Czeckoslovakia ranked only 2.nd place. (83.108.28.28 (talk) 21:35, 15 June 2010 (UTC))

reorg

This page looked rather stagnant, and the 'uses' and 'uses by cuisine' sections were somewhat overlapping and redundant. I've tried to rectify that without removing any of the content.

I also broke out the exhaustive pastry list into a separate page. If a future editor hates that, they'll still probably want to make use of the text on the new merged-and-sorted page rather than doing a simple revert. Andrewbogott (talk) 04:07, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Weight

The weight specification (Natural history) is logically inconsistent. If it takes 3,300 poppy seeds to make up a gram, then we can tell a pound contains 1.5 million seeds (the same number of signifcant digits), not between 1 and 2 million seeds. Conversely, if the variation is so large that between 1 and 2 million seeds in a pound is a good description, then the number 3,300 has nonsensical significant digits. I cannot tell which is more correct ATM 46.39.166.147 (talk) 18:35, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Uses vs Abuses

I changed one word because it contains the assumption that all use of opiates is abuse which I believe is not a neutral point of view — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.23.129.35 (talk) 14:41, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

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Restructuring

As part of an University project we are working on the various poppy articles and will make a proposal soon. In the poppy seed article our aim is primarily to improve the structuring and possibly we will also include some minor revisions. We hope that our poropsals will be recieved positively and are looking forward to your input! --Mirjams (talk) 07:13, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Legal status reverts

Jan 3, 2023, 18:08 - «Restored revision 1130959518 by Zefr talk): Edit summary for this version applies»
Jan 2, 2023, 10:57 - «Rv 1130959518 by Zefr talk); don't remove anchor; no need to change text; add source for prosecution case»
Jan 1, 2023, 21:16 - «‎Legal status: fix subhead; rv contractions per WP:MOS; citations in English needed for this encyclopedia»

@Zefr: The last revert you made (at the top) has a bit different text than the first one. The references and a tag are provided. English is not needed for this encylopedia per WP:NOENG, but is preferred. I suggest you undo the last revert. You can keep previous title if you wish. Best.

AXONOV (talk) ⚑ 17:41, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Concerning the content and sources of this revert, the information is low-quality news, and not a matter of "legal status". Amnesty International is not a reliable WP:RS source, and does not establish legal rulings for countries, but rather is WP:ADVOCACY. The Chemistry World source is a weak news source; WP:NOTNEWS. If solid content cannot be supported with reliable English sources, then it is of dubious value to this encyclopedia. Please WP:DROPTHESTICK and move on from this topic. The content you're offering is WP:UNDUE on the legal status of poppy seeds. Zefr (talk) 17:55, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Reliability is determined by WP:RSCONTEXT and depends on a statement it's provided to. What Amnesty source has said is that there is at least one case of prosecution and it's perfectly WP:RS for given statement. The same goes for chemistryworld.
Referring to WP:DROPTHESTICK is embarrsingly undue even to mention here. You can do the same and move on.

If solid content cannot be supported with reliable English sources ... Well this can be solidly supported by Russian sources and I think it's perfect to cite them per Wikipedia:Verifiability/WP:NOENG. You are free to verify it by quckly translating. Shouldn't be hard.
WP:UNDUE This is often used arbitrarily and no provision is given. AXONOV (talk) ⚑ 18:00, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

WP:ADVOCACY Omg, this is completely unrelated to this discussion. I do not advocate for anything over here. The mere fact I'm trying to provide is that you may land into prison if you try to bring over wrong seeds into Russia. AXONOV (talk) ⚑ 18:09, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

There is at least one research paper in Russian [1] that says that growing or selling all parts of Papaver somniferum L (or any other opium-containing Papaver cultivars) is illegal. The paper discusses judicial practices. I think it's fine to cite it. AXONOV (talk) ⚑ 18:43, 4 January 2023 (UTC)