Talk:Pope Francis/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 08:09, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

I'll take this one. Comments should be up within a week. If I do not have the review up by then, please ping me or leave a message on my talk page.

Sorry for not getting back here sooner. I am drafting the review now and hope to have it up in a few days. Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:37, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Here we go..... Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:40, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Lead

• I wouldn't place any pictures except for infobox in the lead section, and am not sure what benefit File:La Messa del Crisma.jpg gives
• The WP:LAYOUT guidelines (MOS:PARAGRAPHS to be specific in this instance) discourage really short/really long paragraphs. I currently see three short paragraphs followed by one large paragraph and then a reasonably sized one. Try to arrange these so there's more of a balance in paragraph length.
• Is "simpler" the best word to describe his approach to the papacy or the vestments he favors?
• "most notably" isn't really neutral phrasing
• six references for "and elsewhere" seems excessive per WP:OVERCITE; consider grouping or removing as two or three would be better
• Something about "Summarily Pope Francis reiterates that" reads awkwardly

Personal life

• Date of birth should be included here
• It would help to mention all siblings by name
• Why is Francis referred to by his last name here when it is rarely (if ever) used by the public?
• I'd simply say María Elena is Francis' sister for simplicity sake rather than "His [Mario José's] daughter"
• "She is the Pope's only living sibling. His brother Alberto died in June 2010"..... transition is too abrupt
• "Bergoglio has been a lifelong supporter of the San Lorenzo de Almagro football club. Bergoglio is also a fan of the films of Tita Merello, neorealism and tango dancing, with an 'intense fondness' for the traditional music of Argentina and Uruguay known as the milonga" is completely trivial and should be removed
• "Shortly after midnight, early in the morning of Tuesday, 19 August 2014, Alberto's son and Pope Francis's nephew, Emanuel Horacio Bergoglio, 35, was seriously injured when his car slammed into the back of a truck carrying grains. Emanuel's wife, Valeria Carmona, 39, and her two young sons (Pope Francis's great-nephews), Antonio Bergoglio, 8 months, and Joseph Bergoglio, 2 years old, were killed. The Vatican press office, in a statement, said that the Pope was asking for prayers for his deceased relatives" would be better suited for an article on Francis' brother Alberto than it would here; it's not something he's particularly noted for

Pre-papal career

• Still not sure why he's listed by his last name
• MOS:PARAGRAPHS issues throughout much of this section

Jesuit

• "he had a crush on a girl he met at an uncle's wedding, so much so that"..... reads awkwardly
• What did he travel to Jerusalem for before the Yom Kippur War broke out?
• Add a comma after "In Germany"

Cardinal

• Not sure "unique" from "unique devotion" is a neutral description
• "On the death of Pope John Paul II" → "After Pope John Paul II died", also add the date of Paul's funeral
• Add a comma after "In the National Catholic Reporter"

Relations with Argentine governments

• I still don't know why Francis is listed by last name in this section

Dirty War

• "clairified" from "It was clarified" should be revealed

Fernando de la Rúa

• A rather short section, should be expanded or merged per MOS:PARAGRAPHS

Papacy

• "Elected at the age of 76, Francis is reported to be in good health"..... was (this was from two years ago), "healthy" would be better than "in good health", and I'd clarify that this report came from when he was elected back in March 2013
• The "Papal documents", "Clerical titles", and "Consistories" sections are all rather short and should also be expanded or merged with other sections per MOS:PARAGRAPHS

Teachings

Homosexuality

• "practice" and "person" shouldn't be italicized, even if used for emphasis or clarity

Public image

• The last two paragraphs should be merged per MOS:PARAGRAPHS

Titles and styles

• Again, MOS:PARAGRAPHS

References

• Dead links to fix
• FN2: Should read Sky News Australia
• FN3: Not really a good source to use
• FN10: BBC shouldn't be italicized
• FN12: Should read The Independent
• FN13: Should read Irish Independent
• FN14: Should read Reuters without italics
• FN15: Should just read The New York Times in italics
• FN16: Should just read GMA News and Public Affairs
• FN17: Should just read Human Rights Campaign
• FN18: Should just read MSNBC
• FN19: Reuters shouldn't be italicized
• FN20: Missing author Andrea Tornielli
• FN26: "The Telegraph" should read The Daily Telegraph
• FN27: Not a strong enough source for this claim
• FN31: "Bbc.co.uk" should read BBC News
• FN32: "TIME" should be in italics and only the first letter should be capitalized
• FN33: Same as FN31
• FN36: "Vatican.va" should read Holy See
• FN37: "Lanacion.com.ar" should read La Nación in italics
• FN43: Contains a HARVref error as it tries to cite a book not listed within the article. Install this script to see the problem.
• FN46: Daily Mail is not a reliable source
• FN51: "Poy.time.com" should read "Time" in italics
• FN52: Same as FN46
• FN53: Same as FN19
• FN56: "chicagotribune.com" should read Chicago Tribune
• FN59: Catholic-Hierarchy.org shouldn't be italicized
• FN60: Should read NBC News
• FN65: Just links to a general main site
• FN66: Should read Florida International University, though
• FN68: Has a stray "[" right before "The Vatican Today"
• FN69: Has a stray "[", and should read "Irish Independent" in italics
• FN78: "Blomberg" → "Bloomberg"
• FN81: "Theatlantic.com" should read The Atlantic in italics
• FN83: Should just read National Catholic Reporter in italics
• FN88: Same as FN's 19 and 53
• FN90: "Clarin.com" should read "Clarin". Given how Clarin is a DAB page, it would be helpful to specify which one is being referred to.
• FN94: "The" is part of the title for The Washington Post
• FN102: "Thereseoflisieux.org" should read Thérèse of Lisieux
• FN112: Capitalize the "T" in Chicago Tribune
• FN114: Missing author, name of work, and date/accessdate
• FN115: Same as FN83
• FN121: The Guardian should be italicized
• FN126: Same as FN37
• FN127: Should read El País in italics
• FN128: BBC News shouldn't be italicized
• FN132: Should read "Vatican Insider"
• FN's 141 and 142: I'm not sure "LifeSiteNews" is reliable
• FN155: "telegraph.co.uk" should read The Daily Telegraph
• FN's 157–159: Christianity Today should be italicized
• FN160: "JTA" should read Jewish Telegraphic Agency
• FN165: Same as FN27
• FN176: Why are three URLs with only titles used here? The only link needed is this to begin with, and it needs work name, date, and author
• FN177: Missing author
• FN178: The New Yorker needs to be italicized
• FN179: Same as FN12
• FN180: Same as FN26
• FN183: Same as FN121
• FN184: Same as FN32
• FN185: Should read CBS News
• FN186: Same as FN19
• FN188: Same as FN128
• FN189: Catholic News Service shouldn't be italicized
• FN191: "News.va" should read The Vatican Today
• FN192: Missing work parameter
• FN193: "guardian.co.uk" should read "The Guardian" in italics
• FN194: Euronews shouldn't be italicized
• FN195: Same as FN's 31 and 33
• FN200: CNBC shouldn't be italicized
• FN202: Should read PBS
• FN203: Same as FN155
• FN205: Catholic News Agency should not be in italics
• FN206: Needs work parameter
• FN207: Fox News is not a strong enough source for the claim used
• FN208: "In.reuters.com" → "Reuters"
• FN209: Same as FN's 128 and 188
• FN210: Same as FN36
• FN211: Same as FN's 121 and 183
• FN212: Same as FN191
• FN215: Same as FN's 128, 188, and 209
• FN216: "macleans.ca" should read Maclean's in italics
• FN217: Los Angeles Times needs to be in italics
• FN219: USA Today needs to be italicized
• FN221: Same as FN's 27 and 165
• FN239: Same as FN's 31, 33, and 195
• FN240: "latimes.com" should read Los Angeles Times
• FN247: Same as FN94
• FN248: Same as FN128
• FN250: "TIME.com" → "Time"
• FN251: "Patheos.com" → Patheos
• FN256: Needs work parameter
• FN288: Same as FN19
• FN289: Same as FN's 37 and 126
• FN291: Same as FN3
• FN292: Same as FN's 27, 165, and 221
• FN293: Same as FN's 31 and 33
• FN294: Same as FN31
• FN296: Same as FN's 19 and 288
• FN's 297–300: Same as FN114
• FN301: Same as FN's 3 and 291
• FN303: Should read "CNBC"
• FN307: Same as FN's 27, 165, 221, and 292
• FN309: Should read The Catholic Herald in italics
• FN310: Reliable?
• FN311: "The Washington Post" needs to be italicized
• FN312: Same as FN's 83 and 115
• FN313: Same as FN's 141 and 142
• FN323: Same as FN's 83, 115, and 312
• FN324: Capitalize the "T" for The Guardian
• FN327: Should read Cybercast News Service
• FN328: Same as FN's 27, 165, 221, 292, and 307
• FN329: Not sure if this is the best source to use
• FN330: The Catholic Telegraph should be italicized
• FN's 338 and 339: missing authors, works, and dates/accessdates
• FN340: Remove "Catholic.org" as "Catholic Online" should instead be work rather than author
• FN349: Same as FN's 141, 142, and FN313
• FN351: "cnn.com" → CNN
• FN353: Remove "Magazine" from "The Advocate Magazine"
• FN354: Same as FN60
• FN355: Same as FN's 27, 165, 221, 292, 307, and 328
• FN358: Same as FN's 27, 165, 221, 292, 307, 328, and 355
• FN359: Buzzfeed is not at all a reliable source
• FN360: Shouldn't just be two URL's without authors, work parameters, or dates/accessdates
• FN361: Should read Business Insider
• FN362: Should read New York Daily News
• FN363: Should read International Business Times, also needs author and date
• FN's 367 and 368: "The" is part of the title for The New York Times, so it should be added
• FN370: Rolling Stone should be italicized
• FN371: Bare URL's are subject to linkrot, and I'm not convinced this is a reliable source
• FN372: The URL code should not be visible, and this is also missing date and title
• FN373: Same as FN207
• FN375: The Spectator should be italicized as it is a print source
• FN376: "Advocate.com" should read The Advocate in italics
• FN377: Same as FN371
• FN378: Missing author and date/accessdate
• FN379: Same as FN's 46 and 52
• FN380: Missing authors
• FN381: "CNN" shouldn't be italicized
• FN383: Should read "CNN"
• FN's 384–387: Missing title, author, names of works, and dates.
• FN389: Unreliable
• FN391: Should read National Diet Library
• FN392: I'm not convinced this is reliable
• FN393: Toronto Sun isn't really reliable

Ancestry

• I would scrap this section altogether. The ancestors listed aren't even sourced or discussed within the article.

Overall

• Well-written?

• Prose quality: Could be better
• Manual of Style compliance: Many instances going against MOS:PARAGRAPHS as well as italics issues

• Verifiable?

• Reference layout: Many problems with citation style (including HARVref error)
• Reliable sources: A number of subpar references
• No original research: In addition to an unsourced section, dead links and HARVref errors make content more difficult to verify

• Broad in coverage?

• Major aspects: Mostly good, but there are missing bits
• Focused: Some parts I feel aren't necessary

• Neutral?: Not entirely

• Stable?: All good

• Illustrated, if possible, by images?

• Appropriate licensing: No copyright concerns
• Relevance and captioning: Close, but not exactly

• Pass or Fail?: Sorry for the delay, but after much thought and analysis, I'm failing this as there are too many layout and reference problems. Better luck next time. Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:36, 21 March 2015 (UTC)